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    #1

    there is no question but what...

    There is no question but what...

    Is that an idiom that means:

    There is no question that....


    1-There is no question but what the teacher has to arouse the interest of his or her students.

    2-There is no question that the teacher has to arouse the interest of his or her students.


    Do '1' or '2' mean the same?

    I had never heard 'there is no question but what...'


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    Re: there is no question but what...

    Hello!

    *I AM NOT A TEACHER OR NATIVE.*

    No, they don't mean the same. "But" in the first sentence indicates an exception. It states that there is no more question except this: what the teacher has to arouse the interest of his or her students?

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    Re: there is no question but what...

    Thank you Ali Hsn.

    I am not really sure of that. I thought of that myself, but when I saw the examples one can find here, I started having strong doubts.

    https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&...what%22&num=10

    Let's see what the native speakers have to say about this.

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    Navi.

    PS. I guess in some contexts 'there is no question but what...' could mean 'there is no question except: what...'. But that interpretation does not seem to work with a lot of the cases one finds in google books.

    Maybe the other one would be written:
    There is no question but: what ....?
    Last edited by navi tasan; 04-Apr-2014 at 10:20.

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    Re: there is no question but what...

    This is a strange construction that I haven't come across before. I read a few of those examples from Google, and to this Aussie, they don't make sense.

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    Re: there is no question but what...

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Thank you Ali Hsn.

    ...

    https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&...what%22&num=10

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    There is no question but: what ....?
    Oh, I'm sorry! I misinterpreted the verb, "has" in your first sentence and didn't take the second one into consideration! Now, I re-checked the link you provided and found and read some more examples on Google.

    First, let's talk about "There is no question but what". One of the examples I found was:

    "MR. MCCORMACK: I take it that the effect is different upon different persons.
    DR. MUNCH: Yes. sir.
    MR. MCCORMACK: There is no question but what this is a drug, is there?
    DR. MUNCH: None at all.
    MR. MCCORMACK: Is it a harmful drug?
    DR. MUNCH: Any drug that produces the degeneration of the brain is harmful. Yes; it is." (Source)

    The underlined tag question (asked by Mr. McCormack) and then, Dr. Munch's answer in the following line may help us to find the meaning of the expression. Considering them, it seems that "there is no question but what" means "there is no doubt that".

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    And about "There is no question but that", I found this description in the 3rd paragraph of this page:
    "...The insertion of but before that, as in “I doubt but that” and “there is no question but that,” makes a double negative that is probably full-blown. Nevertheless, as we have seen, it is heard on the floor of Congress every day, and the Fowlers show that it is also common in England."


    And this is an example of how this expression is used (Source):
    "There is no question but that City of London School for Girls is a high-end school. Fiendishly competitive admission (10 girls try for every one place), teamed with challenging teaching and the expectation that girls entirely immerse themselves in their subjects before exam time, produce some pretty startling results."

    In my opinion, the 2nd and 3rd sentences explain the reasons for which City of London School for Girls is a high-end school. Therefore, again, "There is no question but that" means "there is no doubt that".

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    Hence, the conclusion could be:
    There is no question but what = there is no question but that = there is no doubt that

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    RECENTLY ADDED: I HOPE NATIVE SPEAKERS TELL US WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE.
    Last edited by Ali Hsn; 05-Apr-2014 at 13:56.

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