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    #1

    No sooner

    1. No sooner we left the shop it began to rain.
    OR
    2. No sooner we left the shop when it began to rain.

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    Re: No sooner

    No sooner had we left the shop than it began to rain.
    Hardly had we left the shop when it began to rain.
    Not a teacher.

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    #3

    Re: No sooner

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    No sooner had we left the shop than it began to rain.
    Hardly had we left the shop when it began to rain.
    Not a teacher.
    At least in my dialect, "Hardly had we" is not used.
    We had hardly left when...
    We had barely left when...

    You have the "no sooner" part exactly right.
    Last edited by Barb_D; 09-Apr-2014 at 18:36.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #4

    Re: No sooner

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    At least in my dialect, "Hardly has we" is not used.
    Hello.
    I'd like to quote from Practical English Usage (Third Edition) by Michael Swan.
    On page 281, he says:

    [...] Inversion is also used after restrictive words like hardly (in BrE), seldom, rarely, little and never, and after only + time expression. This is formal or literary.
    Hardly had I arrived when trouble started. (BrE) [...]
    So, it's correct in BrE. It's not used in AmE.

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    #5

    Re: No sooner

    Is it also possible?
    Scarcely had we left the shop when it began to rain.

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    #6

    Re: No sooner

    Glad I added the caveat about it not be used in my dialect.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #7

    Re: No sooner

    Quote Originally Posted by faisaljan View Post
    Is it also possible?
    Scarcely had we left the shop when it began to rain.
    I am not a teacher.

    'Hardly', 'barely' and 'scarcely' can all be used more or less interchangeably in this sort of phrase. It can sound a bit dated, though.

    "No sooner had we left..." can also be expressed by "No sooner did we leave..."

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    #8

    Re: No sooner

    Quote Originally Posted by faisaljan View Post
    Is it also possible?
    Scarcely had we left the shop when it began to rain.
    Yes, it is: http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie...glish/scarcely

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    #9

    Re: No sooner

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    At least in my dialect, "Hardly had we" is not used.
    Do you mean New York dialect?

    Also, I found something amiss: hardly had I thanked for your post when the OP's "thanked" disappeared.

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    #10

    Re: No sooner

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Do you mean New York dialect?
    I think she just meant American dialect.

    She's not from New York.

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