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    degree of weakend condition

    "If Steve is going to travel to Iran, he would be able to get a visa on arrival."
    Could I use "would" in the result clause to mean that the outcome in the result clause is not totally certain?

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    It would seem that it is not certain that Steve will travel to Iran. If he does, it is certain that he will get a visa on arrival.

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    What I meant is the following. Most nationalities are eligable for a visa on arrival at international airports except for a few. I know that he already bought tickets to Tehran and is going to fly there. But it's not certain if he gets through passport control. So I'm sure about Steve flying there in the if-clause, whereas I reserve a certain degree of uncertainty in the result clause.
    Last edited by ostap77; 24-Apr-2014 at 22:43.

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    I think bhai understood what you meant. You've got it backwards. Your initial sentence has uncertainty in the 'if' clause, and certainty in the 'then' clause. "If X then Y". You want "X and possibly Y".
    Ask yourself this: Why are you using "If" when you know for sure. And why are you using "he would" when there's a chance that he might not?
    Do you mean, "When Steve goes to Iran, he will possibly/probably be able to get a visa on arrival"?
    In short, the only uncertainty (conditionality) of "would" comes from the "if" clause.

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    1)Yes. I mean that he will probably get a visa once gets in at Tehran International. But I'm not totally sure what nationality he holds.

    2) Could you also tell me the difference between the following senttences?

    "If Steve is going to travel to Iran, he would be able to get a visa on arrival."

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    "If Steve is going to travel to Iran, he will be able to get a visa on arrival."

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    There is no meaningful difference between them. They both suggest that you know that he will/would get a visa on arrival, which suggests you know his nationality. If you don't know his nationality, then your only real choice is "... he might be able to get a visa on arrival".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    Would "would" in the result clause mean a slight difference in certainty?

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    Not for me, no. For me, it would only make sense if the "if" clause was uncertain about him travelling there at all. "Steve's going abroad. I think he said he's going to either Iran or India, he hasn't decided which. If he chose to go to Iran, he would be able to get a visa on arrival. If he chose to go to India, he wouldn't". That still suggests that the speaker knows Steve's nationality and that a visa on arrival is an option which is definitely open to him at one of his potential destinations.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #9

    Re: degree of weakend condition

    I am not a teacher.

    Has anyone pointed out that "weakend" isn't a word?

    It should be weakened, unless, of course, Steve is going to Iran for the weekend.

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    Re: degree of weakend condition

    Sorry for the typo. I guess I've probably been a pain in the......throughout the thread. I'm just tryign to understand it. What would a non-meaningful difference be? When I use ''would" in the result clause, am I saying "if Steve is going to ........, I think he should able to get it." ? If I used "will'' instead of "would", would I be saying that he just should be able to get it?
    Last edited by ostap77; 26-Apr-2014 at 01:12.

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