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    Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Dear teachers and members:


    In the sentences below, I would like to know if what I want to mean it is possible.


    1 - I had the opportunity of talking to her; she was certainly a pleasure with whom to talk.

    2 - I had the opportunity of talking to her; she was certainly a pleasure to talked with.


    I think that in sentence number (2) WHOM was reduced and the preposition WITH added to the verb as if it were a prepositional verb.

    QUESTION:

    Is WHOM been reduced in the sencond sentence or one of them is ungrammatically written?


    As always, I ask for your help and assitance in this issue.
    Last edited by The apprentice; 16-Jul-2014 at 22:40.

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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    1 sounds over-careful.

    Would you like another go at the verb in 2?

    b

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    #3

    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    No, it's not a reduced clause. I'd call 1 a wrong understanding of the phrase.
    "She is a pleasure to talk to" means "It is a pleasure talking to her". She is not really the pleasure; talking to her is the pleasure.

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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Thank you Raymott for replying.

    It wasn't a wrong understading, after reading the second sentence I thought a reduction of WHOM might have occurred and consequently I wrote the first one by myself.
    Last edited by The apprentice; 26-Apr-2014 at 21:56.

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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Okay Bobk.

    But sentence number one it isn't ungrammatical, is it?, for example:

    I saw this sentence (a) and immediately I thought the same as in above.

    a) He is a funny guy to hang out with.

    b) He is a funny guy with whom you can hang out
    Last edited by The apprentice; 16-Jul-2014 at 22:39.

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    #6

    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Hello, The apprentice.

    I think BobK is referring to your "[...] a pleasure to talked with."


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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by The apprentice View Post
    a) He is a fun guy to hang out with.

    b) He is a funny guy with whom you can hang out.
    I am not a teacher.

    b) appears to be a rewording of a) in an attempt to not end the sentence with a preposition. I thought this was the over carefulness to which BobK was referring. You should know that this is not an English grammar rule but a grammar myth.

    Furthermore, a fun guy is someone out with whom it is fun to hang, and a funny guy is someone who is funny.

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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman55 View Post
    I am not a teacher.


    [...] a fun guy is someone out with whom it is fun to hang, [...]
    Hello, Roman.
    I've never come across that construction before. Is it very formal English?
    It sounds like Yoda's English.

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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    It was just a little irony to make my point. It is hypercorrect and anyone saying that would sound pretentious.

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    Re: Omission of WHOM: yes or not?

    Dear Roman55:

    I mean if the first sentence may also be written as the second one and both be correct. I have heard and read that it's ungrammatical to end a sentece with a preposition, but for me that's a myth too.
    Last edited by The apprentice; 27-Oct-2014 at 20:09.

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