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    by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

       Doctors generally agree that such factors as cigarette smoking, eating rich foods high in fats, and alcohol consumption not only do damage
    by themselves but also aggravate genetic predispositions toward certain diseases.



    Originally I wanted to delete "by themselves" because after deletion I felt it was a very good sentence.
    Now I don't know what "themselves" refers to. "Such factors" or "damage" or others?

    In fact, in my understanding "do damage" obviously means that "such factors" do damage one's body, so...
    Is really necessary to use "by themselves" here?


    Sincere thanks!
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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    It's perfectly correct. "by themselves" refers to the named factors.

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    You could replace "by themselves" with "directly". The factors that were mentioned cause direct damage. Aggravation of genetic predispositions is "indirect" damage.

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Hi,
    Please note I'm not a teacher nor a native speaker.

    The think that stroked me as odd in that sentence is eating rich foods high in fat.

    Cheers.

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaskin View Post
    The thing that struck me as odd in that sentence is eating rich foods high in fat.
    There's nothing wrong with that, Jaskin.

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    You could replace "by themselves" with "directly". The factors that were mentioned cause direct damage. Aggravation of genetic predispositions is "indirect" damage.
    Yesterday after bhaisahab replied I still have a question but I did not dare to ask again.
    Today I can't repress my emotion. Since passive voice is used here, there is a verb that's omitted, and I guess it is "caused"(as the below) but I'm not sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by dodonaomik View Post
      ...not only do damage (caused)
    by themselves but also...

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    You could replace "by themselves" with "directly". The factors that were mentioned cause direct damage. Aggravation of genetic predispositions is "indirect" damage.
    Hm...Can I understand that the original sentence actually tell us that the factors will directly cause diseases and aggravation of genetic predisposition indirectly cause diseases?

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by dodonaomik View Post
    Yesterday after bhaisahab replied I still have a question but I did not dare to ask again.
    Today I can't repress my emotion. Since passive voice is used here, there is a verb that's omitted, and I guess it is "caused"(as the below) but I'm not sure.
    No, there is not a missing verb. The verb is "do". It has the meaning of "cause" in that use. To do damage by themselves means to cause damage without other factors.

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by dodonaomik View Post
    Hm...Can I understand that the original sentence actually tell us that the factors will directly cause diseases and aggravation of genetic predisposition indirectly cause diseases?
    That is the sense of the sentence as a whole.

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    Re: by themselves ~~~~~~~~~(ah... it seems very odd to me.)

    Hi,
    Please note I'm not a teacher nor a native speaker.

    I've just noticed that somehow we changed "The factors that were mentioned cause direct damage." to "the factors will directly cause diseases". I really have hard time accepting that as disease is not just simply result of physical injury.

    Cheers.

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