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    Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    We always use bare infinitive with "Need" and "Dare" sentences or not. Please correct following sentences.

    1. You need earn money.
    or
    you need to earn money.

    2. She dares come here.
    or
    She dares to come here.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by shahjehansoomro View Post
    She dares come here.
    There should be no "s" if "dare" is used as an auxiliary verb.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    you mean to say we use "dare" with he , she..etc ok
    and what about "to" , we should use bare infinitive always or we can use full infinitive"to" with need and dare sentences. which are the correct sentences.
    please correct following sentences:

    1. You need earn money.
    or
    you need to earn money.

    2. She dare come here.
    or
    She dare to come here.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    There should be no "s" if "dare" is used as an auxiliary verb.
    No, if you're going to write "She dares to come here", you need the 's'.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by shahjehansoomro View Post
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    1. You need earn money. No
    or
    You need to earn money. Yes

    2. She dares come here. No
    or
    She dares to come here. Yes
    That is how I would use the words (and it's correct).
    Also: "She needs to earn money" and "I dare to come here." It's also possible to say "I dare come here".
    "Dare" is used slightly differently in different places, I think. But the above is correct for Australian English.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    No, if you're going to write "She dares to come here", you need the 's'.
    But "dares" is a verb here. What I said is that the auxiliary verb should not have an "s", am I wrong?

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    I do see "need" used with the negative.
    You need not worry about that.
    He need not be concerned about the outcome.

    But it's not common in the US. We'd say "You don't need to worry" or "He doesn't need to be concerned" more often.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    But "dares" is a verb here. What I said is that the auxiliary verb should not have an "s", am I wrong?
    Interesting question.
    "She dares do it" is not a proper sentence, as you say, but neither is "She dare do it". If you want to say that, you have to say "She dares to do it", and that is not a modal use.
    As Quirk (1985, 3.42) says, "The modal construction [of dare and need] is restricted to nonassertive contexts, ie. mainly negative and interrogative sentences." So, there is no modal way to express the above affirmative sentence.

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    "She dares do it" is not a proper sentence, as you say, but neither is "She dare do it".
    "He dare not mention the subject again."── quoted from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dare
    Is it a proper sentence?

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    Re: Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    "He dare not mention the subject again."── quoted from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dare
    Is it a proper sentence?
    Yes, but that's a negative statement which, as I stated above, is possible.
    "He dare mention the subject again" is not possible.

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