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  1. wotcha22
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    Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    I know that help can be followed either to or bare infinitive.

    What I'm wondering now is that whether it can take an gerund as an object.

    1) I hope to succeed.

    2) I hope succeed.

    3) I hope succeeding.

    Is sentence 2 grammatical? I actually saw an example of help taking and gerund object
    like the below. I also want to know if 4 is grammatical.

    4) It helped being able to talk about it.

    And what about

    5) It helped to be able to talk about it. ?


    Thank you.
    Last edited by wotcha22; 24-May-2014 at 02:10.

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    2 & 3 don't work for me. I'd reverse the order of 4- Being able to talk about it helped. 5 is fine.

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Hello, wotcha.

    In #4 and #5, the pronoun 'it' is a preparatory subject. (Please see definition #5 here.)
    The real subjects of these sentences are 'being able to talk about it' and 'to be able to talk about it':

    4)= Being able to talk about it helped.
    5)= To be able to talk about it helped.

    Please note that they are not the objects of the verb 'helped'.

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    "Being able to talk about it helped solving the problem."
    "Solving the problem" is the object of "helped", correct?

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    #5

    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Your first lot of sentences are wrong.
    But we do say things like, "It helped talking about it" whether they are grammatical or not. "It really helped just talking about it".
    That's not an object; it's an explanation of what "It" is. It means what all of the above answers say. But in reality we don't change the word order in speech. It's a bit like "She's a nice girl, Mary" instead of "Mary is a nice girl".
    I wouldn't write anything like that in exams.

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    "Being able to talk about it helped solving the problem."
    "Solving the problem" is the object of "helped", correct?
    Hello, Matthew.

    I think your sentence should be:

    "Being able to talk about it helped to solve the problem."

    The '-ing form' ('solving...') doesn't work, in my opinion.

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Do you mean "something helps + -ing form something" doesn't work?

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Do you mean "something helps + -ing form something" doesn't work?
    Hello, Matthew.

    Well, not really.
    I think it depends on the meaning of the verb 'help' whether it's followed by a to-infinitive (bare infinitive) or a gerund.
    As far as I know, the verb "help" takes a gerund (as an object) when it is used in the sense of 'preventing/avoiding something', as in:

    I can't help falling in love with you. (Not I can't help to fall in love with you.)

    For your reference: http://www.englishforums.com/English...zwnzc/post.htm

    I hope my response will be of some help to you.

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Do you mean "something helps + -ing form something" doesn't work?
    Yes!

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    Re: Doees 'help' take an gerund as an object?

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    the verb "help" takes a gerund (as an object) when it is used in the sense of 'preventing/avoiding something'
    If it is correct to say "helps preventing/avoiding something", why is it incorrect to say "helped solving the problem"?

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