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    Conditional

    Since we could say "If she would come to the party, she would be really surprised." as a second conditional to express our desired outcome, would it be also OK if we used the same structure with the two would in a third conditional sentence like this:

    "If she would have come to the party, she would have been really surprised."

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    Re: Conditional

    Quote Originally Posted by miladb View Post
    Since we could say "If she would come to the party, she would be really surprised." as a second conditional to express our desired outcome,
    But hang on. We don't say that. "If she came to the party, she would be really surprised." Where did you get that pattern ("If she would ..., she would ...) as the second conditional?


    would it be also OK if we used the same structure with the two would in a third conditional sentence like this:

    "If she would have come to the party, she would have been really surprised."

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    No, because your original premise is wrong.
    "If she had come to the party, she would have been really surprised". That's third conditional.

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    Re: Conditional

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    No, because your original premise is wrong.
    "If she had come to the party, she would have been really surprised". That's third conditional.
    Thanks for your reply. But how about the following sentence that's represented in the "CAE Grammar book":

    "If it would remove some of the concerns of Save the Animals, they could be involved in drawing up plans for the new zoo."

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    Re: Conditional

    Quote Originally Posted by miladb View Post
    "If it would remove some of the concerns of Save the Animals, they could be involved in drawing up plans for the new zoo."
    Yes, that's possible. Let's forget about numbering of conditionals for now.
    It is possible to have 'would' in both clauses of a conditional sentence, if they belong. In fact there are contexts where your original sentence would be correct. However, they are rare, and that sentence with "If she would come to the party, ..." would in almost all cases be an error for "If she came to the party...."

    PS: Your third conditional sentence is interesting. I believe it has a meaning, but the last time I tried to explain it, an American member told me my idea was nonsense. Apparently in America, they sometimes use "If she would have ..." in the second conditional to mean "If she had ...". Perhaps someone more familar with AmE could comment on your third conditional sentence. Personally, I'd avoid it.
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    Re: Conditional

    any other ideas?

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