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    #1

    I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS3fFQBVlSc

    (begins at about 7 min)

    1. I played a funny game, which made me happy.
    2. I played a funny game, making me happy.
    The English teacher is very famous in Taiwan. She says that sentences #1 and #2 are interchangeable. Do native speakers agree?
    Last edited by sitifan; 02-Jun-2014 at 06:18.
    I need native speakers' help.

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    #2

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    Hello, sitifan.
    The second sentence is not grammatical, in my opinion.

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    #3

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    http://www.english-test.net/forum/vi...=559545#559545
    I had trouble understanding her explanations ;) , but these two sentences are interchangeable to me. Be careful though, since a "funny game" is somewhat different from a "fun game."
    I need native speakers' help.

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    #4

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    They mean the same thing. I don't think many native speakers would say 2.
    I don't believe in the concept of interchangeability without a complete context, and how often do we get that? For example, if you wanted to give the impression that you were a Taiwanese English speaker, you might write 2. Therefore, they're not interchangeable.

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    #5

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    They mean the same thing. I don't think many native speakers would say 2.
    The meaning is the same but 2 will probably show that the speaker is not native, is it correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    if you wanted to give the impression that you were a Taiwanese English speaker, you might write 2.
    If I don't intend to pretend to be native, is it acceptable to write something understandable to natives but uncommon among them? I don't mean Chinglish which may probably be ungrammatical.

    In the video, the teacher says "the adjectival clause 'which made me laugh' can be changed to the participle phrase 'making me laugh'" (I hope I have translated correctly). Can it apply to other adjectival clauses?
    Last edited by Matthew Wai; 02-Jun-2014 at 07:07.

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    #6

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    In many cases, one can reduce a relative clause by changing it into Participle + Object.

    I saw a man who was smoking a cigarette.
    I saw a man smoking a cigarette.

    In the OP's sentence this change is unnatural.

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    #7

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    ... and I don't like the comma:

    I played a funny game, making me happy.

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    #8

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    If it were correct, the comma would be needed.

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    #9

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    The meaning is the same but 2 will probably show that the speaker is not native, is it correct?
    Yes, that's what I meant.

    If I don't intend to pretend to be native, is it acceptable to write something understandable to natives but uncommon among them? I don't mean Chinglish which may probably be ungrammatical.
    Of course. No one expects perfect English from a non-native speaker. All I'm saying is that if you want to speak English like a native, you'd use 1. 2 would be understood, even if it wasn't grammatical. So would "I play funny game; make me happy" - even though that's obviously not correct English. I always assume that posters here want to speak proper English, not just be understood on a very basic level.

    In the video, the teacher says "the adjectival clause 'which made me laugh' can be changed to the participle phrase 'making me laugh'" (I hope I have translated correctly). Can it apply to other adjectival clauses?
    I'm not sure. Given that I wouldn't even do it here, I'd have to say no. If you provided some examples, I'd comment further.

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    #10

    Re: I played a funny game, which made me happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    If you provided some examples, I'd comment further.
    The constructions of the following are the same as those of the OP's sentences.
    1. A resident discovered a carcass, which gave off odor.
    2. A resident discovered a carcass, giving off odor.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    If it were correct, the comma would be needed.
    The past subjunctive is used, do you mean it is actually incorrect?

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