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    【long since】 【that】

    Whoeve begins at this point, like my readers, to reflect and pursue his train of thought will not soon come to the end of it____reason enough for me to come to an end, assuming it has long since been abundantly clear what my aim is, what the aim of that dangerous slogan is that is inscribed at the head of my last book. __________ <<Beyond Good and Evil>>


    long since: I can not understand long since. Does long since mean "long time since"?
    that: I feel very puzzled. Is that only a pronoun?(as the following: That is a plum tree I planted.)
    Or does that refer to " that dangerous slogan "?



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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    "Long since" is not used in mainstream English. It belongs to Indian English. In that dialect it means "a long time ago."

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    I am not a teacher.

    I find "long since" perfectly normal, if a little old fashioned, and I certainly don't speak Indian English.

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    Quote Originally Posted by dodonaomik View Post
    ... it has long since been abundantly clear ...
    May I take it to mean "it has been abundantly clear for a long time"?

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    I am not a teacher.

    You may indeed.

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    Quote Originally Posted by dodonaomik View Post
    Or does that refer to " that dangerous slogan "?
    I agree that "that" is a relative pronoun referring to "that dangerous slogan".

    Not a teacher.

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    "Long since" is used regularly in BrE.

    - What happened to that cake shop that used to be next to the bank?
    - Oh, that's long since gone.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    "Long since" is used regularly in BrE.

    - What happened to that cake shop that used to be next to the bank?
    - Oh, that's long since gone.
    Same in AmE.

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    Nevertheless, I think the meaning here is "long since a specific stated time", ie. since the dangerous slogan was published in his last book.
    The use of "long since" without a reference time in the past sounds a little odd to me. I'm not convinced that there is no past time implicit in the 'cake shop' example. It could mean "since the time we are reflecting about".

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    Re: 【long since】 【that】

    I am not a teacher.

    I don't think of long since as meaning since. I see it more as meaning "ago" although they aren't directly interchangeable. That would make the reference time now, not a point in the past.

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