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    None has or have

    Hi guys,

    What we have to say "None of the codes has been denied or have been denied"?

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    Re: None has or have

    I am not a teacher.

    There are those who believe that none is singular and should always take a singular verb.

    This is the usage note on the subject taken from oxforddictionaries.com.
    "It is sometimes held that none can only take a singular verb, never a plural verb: none of them is coming tonight rather than none of them are coming tonight. There is little justification, historical or grammatical, for this view. None is descended from Old English nān meaning ‘not one’ and has been used for around a thousand years with both a singular and a plural verb, depending on the context and the emphasis needed."

    To my BrE ear it sounds pretentious and bordering on the hypercorrect to insist on the singular at all times.

    In your example I would naturally say, "None of the codes have been denied".

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    Re: None has or have

    If you are saying that it should be used as singular than why have you used "Have" for my example.

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    #4

    Re: None has or have

    Roman55 didn't say that, tufguy. Read the post again, carefully.

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    Re: None has or have

    OK so it can be used as singular or as plural like "None of my friends is coming tonight" or "None of us is going there".

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    Re: None has or have

    Yes.

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    Re: None has or have

    I speak AmE and nobody has ever suggested that I am pretentious or hypercorrect in using the singular verb. It seems very natural to me.

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    Re: None has or have

    In many cases, the use of "none of xxx" can be singular or plural. When the noun following the preposition is an uncountable noun, the singular form is used. There are, however, cases in which a plural verb is needed.

    See the usage note here.

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    Re: None has or have

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman55 View Post
    I am not a teacher.



    To my BrE ear it sounds pretentious and bordering on the hypercorrect to insist on the singular at all times.

    In your example I would naturally say, "None of the codes have been denied".
    I agree.
    I would say 'None of that is important.' and 'None of the members are happy about that.'

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    Re: None has or have

    None of the cake has been eaten.
    None of the cakes have been sold.

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