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    Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    "Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool."

    Is it correct to use the present perfect "has bought" although it happened before "went to a pool"?

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    No, that sounds strange, for a few reasons - one of which you've mentioned.
    "Today Peter bought a bicycle, which he rode to the pool."
    "Today Peter bought a bicycle, which he has ridden to the pool."
    The use of 'today' actually counts as a specific time in the past in this context, because, as you say, it occurred before something else you are relating in the past tense. It means "earlier today" - past.
    "Peter has a bought a bicycle, which he has ridden to the pool." OK, since they are both in present perfect. One imagines a person at the pool saying this, and there are conceptualised as one event for the purpose of tenses.

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    "Today, the official welcoming ceremony of President Serzh Sargsyan who has arrived in Georgia on an official visit took place at the presidential palace."── quoted from https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/threads/209539-have-arrived-or-had-arrived

    The president "has arrived" before the ceremony "took place", why did Rover_KE say the present perfect is correct?
    Peter "has bought" a bicycle before he "went to" a pool, the construction should be the same.
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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    The "today" in that one ties to the official welcoming ceremony that "took place."


    Today I picked up my brother, who has arrived for a two-week visit, at the airport.

    (I wouldn't say the one with the president is exactly how I'd write it.)

    Today Peter rode his bicycle, which he has only recently purchased, to the pool. -- Do you see how this different from your original?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    I would worry more about by which and a pool here.

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    The president "has arrived" before the ceremony "took place", why did Rover_KE say the present perfect is correct?
    Because there are usually no rules that must be followed. Rover read it, and did not find it unusual. I found it strange, and Barb "wouldn't say the one with the president is exactly how I'd write it," from which I gather she doesn't like it much either.
    You know by now that teachers will disagree on some points. In those cases, we will normally say, "I would say ...", "It sounds odd", etc. When teachers hedge like this, it means the that answer isn't set in stone. On the other hand, there are cases where something is obviously incorrect/correct, and this is the time you should be questioning us about differences of opinion.
    There are many cases where you can choose the version you find the most convincing.

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    He has bought a bike, on which he rode to the pool.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    Last month I crashed my computer which I have bought in the last year.

    Is it OK to use the present perfect here?

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    No, that's not natural.

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    Re: Today Peter has bought a bicycle by which he went to a pool.

    Yesterday I crashed my computer which I have bought recently.

    Is it natural?

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