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    Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    Hello,

    Is the Past Perfect tense wrong in this context?

    a) It wasn't the first time I met him. I had met him a few times before.

    b) It wasn't the first time I had met him. I had met him a few times before.

    Thank you.

    Nawee

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    #2

    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    No, it's not wrong.

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    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    Is there any difference?

    How come we use the Past Simple with "the last time"?

    When was the last time you cleaned this room? (not "you had cleaned")

    Thank you.

    Nawee

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    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    Two months ago I asked a similar question and the teachers preferred the past perfect, see https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/t...won-the-game#1

    Not a teacher.

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    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    As long as you use "before", the simple past works. But the past perfect is also correct.

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    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    Does it have anything to do with the difference between "the first time" (or "last") and "the NUMBERth time"? "First" and "last" are two ends of a time line whereas the number of times suggests repetition and the Past Perfect is used when we talk about repeated actions prior to another past action.

    I'm sorry if I'm not expressing the "difference" between the "first/last time" and "the NUMBERth time" very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Two months ago I asked a similar question and the teachers preferred the past perfect, see https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/t...won-the-game#1

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    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    Quote Originally Posted by naweewra View Post
    It wasn't the first time I met him. I had met him a few times before.
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    As long as you use "before", the simple past works. But the past perfect is also correct.
    I think the OP was asking about the first sentence rather than the second.

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    #8

    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    Yes. And?

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    #9

    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    And you omitted to answer the OP's following questions.
    Quote Originally Posted by naweewra View Post
    How come we use the Past Simple with "the last time"?
    When was the last time you cleaned this room? (not "you had cleaned")
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    #10

    Re: Past Perfect VS Past Simple: meet and "the first time"

    My answer was not to the second question.

    Had I answered it, I would have said the past simple was fine.

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