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    #1

    that of ? those of?

    Hello, teachers!

    I've found the following:

    1. If you have English as your first language, you have an English grammar in your head. This grammar makes your pronunciation and your word order similar to that of other English speakers. You ...

    In my opinion, this "that" indicates "your pronunciation" and "your word order."
    If my idea is right, then the "that" should be replaced with "those"?
    Or, does that "that" refer to both as a set phrase or something?

    I'd appreciate it if you would give me some advice about this.

    Thank you very much in advance for your help.

    yam

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    #2

    Re: that of ? those of?

    Mmm. This is a tricky one, which is why you've had to wait a long time for a reply.

    'Those' would just sound wrong to me, but bumping your question to the top might attract a better answer from somebody else.

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    #3

    Re: that of ? those of?

    "Those" sounds completely wrong to me too. Mind you, so does "... you have an English grammar in your head".

    Yamyam, where did you find that quote?
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #4

    Re: that of ? those of?

    I also would choose "that". The word "grammar" can refer to a grammar book. The use of "an English grammar" is correct in this context.

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    #5

    Re: that of ? those of?

    I am not a teacher.

    If English is your first language I very much doubt that you have anything resembling a grammar book in your head.

    As for English teachers, read this and weep. I particularly enjoyed the last sentence.

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    #6

    Re: that of ? those of?

    IMO, that is because "grammar" is not taught in many schools.

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    #7

    Re: that of ? those of?

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    "Those" sounds completely wrong to me too.
    Pronunciation and word order are two different things, why 'those' is wrong?
    Or should I say 'pronunciation and word order is two different things'?

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    #8

    Re: that of ? those of?

    No, but that is a different structure.

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    #9

    Re: that of ? those of?

    The quote doesn't mention a grammar book, only a grammar.
    Last edited by Raymott; 17-Jul-2014 at 03:50. Reason: typo

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    #10

    Re: that of ? those of?

    Check definition 4 here.

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