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    Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

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    Reading on one of my facebook's contacts post, it seems to me that there is some syntactic disagrement in her writting. Below it is the so called post:

    «You know you're still young at heart when searching for a catchy translation sends you and your colleages into peals of laughter. So, how would YOU translate "dick pic"? Yep, it came up in a job last week.»

    I think that some grammatical elements or words were missing in the above post between: 1)
    ''searchin for a catchy translation... sends''; and 2) ''your colleagues... peals of laughter''.

    The contact who wrote this post is an English native speaker ─ American English (AmE) ─ whom I know it has a good command of the language.


    I kindly ask for your help and assistance in this issue
    Last edited by The apprentice; 16-Jul-2014 at 04:34.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    It *is* a post, whether you find it grammatical or not. Calling it a "so-called post" is inaccurate.

    It is grammatical.

    Here is a simpler sentence: Getting presents makes me happy.
    Can you look at your friend's post and see the same structure?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    PS: writing. One T
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    Thank you for your quick reply Barb_D


    1) Thanking you in advanced for your correction. Which one would be the appropriate term rather than ''so-called post''?

    2) Can you please, re-write the above-mentioned sentence with another grammatical structure meaning the same?

    3) I would say: «Getting presents make me happy.»


    Your cooperation will be deeply appreciated.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    Dear Barb_D


    I'm still confused about it, but perhaps deciphering on my facebook's contact post I could get the help I need as well as understand this sort of grammar structure.

    I - Deciphering on the grammar structure I don't understand:

    a) You know you're still young at heart.

    b) When searching for a catchy translation sends you.

    c) And you colleagues into peals of laughter.

    II - Did my facebook's contact want to mean the following?

    «You know you're still young at heart when searching for a catchy translation (that) someone sends you and your colleages burst into peals of laughter.»


    Please help!
    Last edited by The apprentice; 16-Jul-2014 at 05:19.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    The act of searching
    Makes
    You
    Laugh

    Searching sends you into peals of laughter

    Does that help?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    Okay Barb_D. I will analyze your last answer in order to know this type of grammar structure; it's indeed pretty instructive!


    This was the same sort of answer the one who posted it told me, but the last clause you wrote ─ searching sends you into peals of laughter ─ did the trick.

    This might rather be a a reduced clause of: «You know you're still young at heart when searching for a catchy translation which sends you and your colleages into peals of laughter.»


    Do you know how this type of grammar structure is known?


    Thanks.
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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    Quote Originally Posted by The apprentice View Post
    You know you're still young at heart [when searching for a catchy translation sends you and your colleages into peals of laughter].
    Hello, The apprentice.

    What do you think is the subject within the subordinate clause in blue?
    (I think the 'when searching' part is the one that is confusing you - it doesn't mean 'when (you are) searching')

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    Quote Originally Posted by The apprentice View Post
    Okay Barb_D. I will analyze your last answer in order to know this type of grammar structure; it's indeed pretty instructive!


    This was the same sort of answer the one who posted it told me, but the last clause you wrote ─ searchin sends you into peals of laughter ─ did the trick.

    This might rather be a a reduced clause of: «You know you're still young at heart when searching for a catchy translation which sends you and your colleages into peals of laughter.»


    Do you know how this type of grammar structure is known?


    Thanks.
    No, it's not a reduced clause. The basic subject/verb of the clause that starts with "when" is "searching sends."

    And you should capitalize "Facebook." It's a proper noun.

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    Re: Syntactic Agreement in Sentences.

    Thanks Tzfujimino, now I'm catching on the sentence a lot better.


    The subject of the subordinate clause is the noun phrase searching for a catchy translation, being searching the head noun, so its verb must agree with it and consequently it's sends.

    So the sentence means:

    1) Main clause:

    You know you're still young at heart (have a yuthfull spirit).

    2) Subordinate clause:

    When seaching for a catchy translation (a seach for a catchy translation) sends you and your colleagues (it sends you as well as your colleagues) into peals of laughter.

    3) I think this whole sentence may also be re-written as follows:

    ''You know you're still young at heart when a seach for a catchy translation sends you, as well as your colleagues into peals of laughter''.


    Thank you very much for this analysis Tzfujimino, and thanks to all who have participated. I love this forum; I haven't found another one like this regarding phonetics, phonology and grammar issues.
    Last edited by The apprentice; 16-Jul-2014 at 15:30. Reason: editing and add something

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