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    Actress who

    Please would you correct my sentences. I am not sure if the second part of these sentence is defining or non-defining.

    1. She was an experienced actress who learnt her skills in numerous theaters.
    2. John turned into a tall man who became popular among the girls in his class.
    3. The old house, which he inherited, is now sold.

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    Re: Actress who

    Perhaps:

    She was an experienced actress who had learned her skills in numerous theaters. (Is it an AE, BE thing?)
    John grew tall and became popular among the girls in his class.
    The old house, which he inherited, has been sold.



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    #3

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    These sentences were about non-defining and defining parts. Please would a teacher correct my mistakes.

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    It is definitely true that I am not a professional teacher. (I have only been speaking (and writing) the language for 60 years or so. (Maybe someday I'll get the hang of it.)) (What's a defining part?)

    I have certainly never heard the expression turn into a tall man. However, you can be sure that you cannot go wrong with He grew tall.


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    We say that an actress learned in the theater.

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    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    Hello, Bassim:

    A teacher or writer will be along shortly.

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    I found your sentences very interesting, so I just wanted to add a few thoughts (not "answers" to the discussion).



    1. Let's discuss #3.

    a. At first glance, I would say that "which he inherited" is obviously a non-defining clause.

    i. The main reason is that there are commas around "which he inherited." As you know, those commas mean that the information is extra information that could be deleted without harming the main idea of the sentence, which is "The old house is now sold." We assume that we are talking about only one old house.

    ii. Please compare these sentences:

    (a) Tom has two old houses. The old house that he inherited is now sold, but the house that he bought is still on the market [it's still "for sale"].

    Those are obviously defining clauses. That is, the information that I underlined is ESSENTIAL in telling your listener / reader WHICH house is sold and WHICH houise is still on the market.

    NOTE: Most American teachers say that we should introduce defining clauses with "that." I believe that in some other varieties of English, either "that" or "which" is acceptable for defining clauses. But non-defining clauses are always introduced by "which."



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    Last edited by TheParser; 17-Jul-2014 at 21:29. Reason: I deleted an unnecessary sentence.

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    Re: Actress who

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    (a) Tom has two old houses. The old house that he inherited is now sold, but the house that he bought is still on the market [it's still "for sale"].
    Don't forget, however, that the "that"s in these examples are not obligatory. It is perfectly acceptable (in BrE at least) to say "The old house he inherited is now sold but the house he bought is still on the market."
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Actress who

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Don't forget, however, that the "that"s in these examples are not obligatory. It is perfectly acceptable (in BrE at least) to say "The old house he inherited is now sold but the house he bought is still on the market."
    Absolutely! I agree. (I am an expert in AE (but only because I am a native speaker).) (AE & BE do, of course, have more in common than otherwise. (But it's the differences that are fun. )



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