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    #1

    considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    1. ''The scientist considered the experiment a mistake.''
    2. ''The scientist considered that the experiment was a mistake.''

    I am not sure but I think I have changed the construction of the sentence 1 while making the sentence 2. And their meaning is roughly the same, am I correct?

    (The first one is so unnatural for me.)
    Last edited by Gorkem Atay; 25-Aug-2014 at 13:43. Reason: deleting word is - writing word was
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    #2

    Re: considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    1 is fine. It means ''The scientist considered the experiment to be a mistake.''

    2 should be
    "The scientist considered that the experiment was a mistake.''


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    #3

    Re: considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    Your first sentence is not at all unnatural.

    I consider you a fool.
    He considers me a genius.
    My flatmate considers me a great cook!
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #4

    Re: considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Your first sentence is not at all unnatural.

    I consider you a fool.
    He considers me a genius.
    My flatmate considers me a great cook!
    I would make them like:

    I consider you as a fool.
    He considers me as a genius.
    My flatmate considers me as a great cook!

    Aren't they correct in that way?
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    #5

    Re: considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    'As' and 'to be' are optional, according to http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie...glish/consider Definition#2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorkem Atay View Post
    (The first one is so unnatural for me.)
    Non-native speakers like you and me can hardly have the natural ability to discern whether a sentence is natural or not.

    Not a teacher.
    Last edited by Matthew Wai; 25-Aug-2014 at 13:39.

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    Re: considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    'As' and 'to be' are optional, according to http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie...glish/consider Definition#2.

    Not a teacher.
    And this verb is not alone in this angle. There are some more like this!
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    #7

    Re: considered the experiment a mistake / considered that the experiment is a mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorkem Atay View Post
    I would make them like:

    I consider you as a fool.
    He considers me as a genius.
    My flatmate considers me as a great cook!

    Aren't they correct in that way?
    For me, adding "as" makes them all unnatural. Adding "to be" would be OK.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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