Grammar, have brought and brought.Past perfect and past simple

[Polyester]

Grammar, have brought and brought.Past perfect and past simple

What's the difference between two words? tense?

Many thanks!

 

[khanhhung2512]

NOT A TEACHER
'Have brought' is 'present perfect', not 'past perfect'.
As for the difference between 'present perfect' and 'past simple', I suggest you consult a grammar book such as "Understanding and Using English Grammar".

 

[Matthew Wai]

You can also consult grammar sites such as http://www.englishtenses.com/tenses

Not a teacher.

 

[Polyester]

Thank you both!

But,I don't understand what the meaning of between two words after reading the grammar books.

Can you both help me?

present perfect = completed yet!
past simple = It is done in the past, and finished!
what's wrong?

 

[Matthew Wai]

Polyester, clicking on the 'Thank' button can obviate the need for a new post saying 'Thank you', such is one of the many unwritten rules on this forum.

Not a teacher.

 

[khanhhung2512]

Thank you both!

But,I don't understand what the meaning of between two words after reading the grammar books.

Can you both help me?

present perfect = completed yet!
past simple = It is done in the past, and finished!
what's wrong?

The main difference is their focus.
past simple = finished
present perfect = finished but have present consequences
For example:
I have lost my key. (I lost my key yesterday, and I don't have the key now.)
I lost my key. (I lost my key yesterday. There's no mention for the present if I have the key right now or not. I may have the key right now. Or I may not)
Actually, the situation is very broad. You have to learn it gradually, little by little.

 

[khanhhung2512]

Sometimes, the difference between the two tenses can be quite vague, especially in American English.
For instance, when you say "I've brought an umbrella," or "I brought an umbrella," the difference is the present perfect focuses your attention more to the present. Sometimes, particularly in American English, you can use either with almost the same meaning.
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[Matthew Wai]

... "I've brought an umbrella," or "I brought an umbrella," ... almost the same meaning.

'I've brought an umbrella' refers to today, but 'I brought an umbrella' may refer to yesterday. They are not the same. Am I wrong?

Not a teacher.

 

[khanhhung2512]

'I've brought an umbrella' refers to today, but 'I brought an umbrella' may refer to yesterday. They are not the same. Am I wrong?

Not a teacher.

NOT A TEACHER
Before going to school, you brought an umbrella along. You're at school and have the umbrella at the moment. You can say either "I brought an umbrella," or "I've brought an umbrella," in my opinion. The difference is the present perfect brings more attention to the present and the action's effect. For instance, if it's raining, you'd probably like to say "I've brought an umbrella," because "I brought an umbrella," may also, but not necessarily, mean "I brought an umbrella. But I accidentally dropped it on the way to school."
That's my thought. Not sure what natives think since American and British English diverge somewhat at this point.

 

[Polyester]

NOT A TEACHER
Before going to school, you brought an umbrella along. You're at school and have the umbrella at the moment. You can say either "I brought an umbrella," or "I've brought an umbrella," in my opinion. The difference is the present perfect brings more attention to the present and the action's effect. For instance, if it's raining, you'd probably like to say "I've brought an umbrella," because "I brought an umbrella," may also, but not necessarily, mean "I brought an umbrella. But I accidentally dropped it on the way to school."
That's my thought. Not sure what natives think since American and British English diverge somewhat at this point.

If i said that "I have brought an umbrella today." Is it correct?
If i also said that again"I brought an umbrella three days ago." Is it correct?






[strike]I'm a beginner in English. I'm poor at English.[/strike]

 

[emsr2d2]

Polyester, please don't end your posts with strange things like "I'm a beginner at English" etc. If you wish to create a signature line, you can do so by editing your profile.

 

[khanhhung2512]

If i said that "I have brought an umbrella today." Is it correct?
If i also said that again"I brought an umbrella three days ago." Is it correct?
[strike]I'm a beginner in English. I'm poor at English.[/strike]

Both are correct, but, grammatically, I should always be capitalized. However, I've seen some natives don't capitalize it on Facebook.

 

[Polyester]

Polyester, please don't end your posts with strange things like "I'm a beginner at English" etc. If you wish to create a signature line, you can do so by editing your profile.

Something like that?

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[emsr2d2]

Much better.

Back to the question! "I've brought an umbrella three days ago" is incorrect. We usually use the past simple to state a fact with a timeline/timescale and the past perfect if we don't want to involve a timescale.

I've brought an umbrella.
I brought an umbrella three days ago.

Before we continue with this, can I check that you are not confusing "brought" with "bought".

 

[khanhhung2512]

Much better.

Back to the question! "I've brought an umbrella three days ago" is incorrect. We usually use the past simple to state a fact with a timeline/timescale and the past perfect if we don't want to involve a timescale.

I've brought an umbrella.
I brought an umbrella three days ago.

Before we continue with this, can I check that you are not confusing "brought" with "bought".

But he/she didn't say ""I've brought an umbrella three days ago," did he/she?

 

[Polyester]

Much better.

Back to the question! "I've brought an umbrella three days ago" is incorrect. We usually use the past simple to state a fact with a timeline/timescale and the past perfect if we don't want to involve a timescale.

I've brought an umbrella.
I brought an umbrella three days ago.

Before we continue with this, can I check that you are not confusing "brought" with "bought".

Brought=bring
bought=buy

Are both of them correct?
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I'm a beginner in English. I'm poor at English.