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    <Have/Had > never been born

    "I wish I have/had never been born"
    Which one is right? Present or Past Perfect? Does it depend on context?
    I think "had" is right because it is Second/Third Conditional

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    I also think 'had' is right but I don't think it is a conditional sentence because there is no 'if-clause'.

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I also think 'had' is right but I don't think it is a conditional sentence because there is no 'if-clause'.

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    I thought it was a conditional but why "had" is used instead of "have" even there's only an event

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    'If I had never been born, I would not have suffered so much.'
    It should be the third conditional.

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkmate View Post
    why "had" is used instead of "have" even there's only an event
    http://www.edufind.com/english/gramm...ditional10.php
    After reading the above page, I have learned something.
    I wish I had been born into a rich family. (actually I was not)
    I wish I had a rich family. (actually I don't have)
    The past perfect/simple past should be used in such constructions.

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    That phrase reminds of a song called 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.

    I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all.


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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    http://www.edufind.com/english/gramm...ditional10.php
    After reading the above page, I have learned something.
    I wish I had been born into a rich family. (actually I was not)
    I wish I had a rich family. (actually I don't have)
    The past perfect/simple past should be used in such constructions.

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    so this is Second Conditional

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    I think it is not so much 'the second conditional' as 'the wish subjunctive'.

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I think it is not so much 'the second conditional' as 'the wish subjunctive'.

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    I went to the link above and this conditional is called as "unreal past" conditional which uses 2nd Conditional form. "the wish" is included in this conditional because "wish" is used to refer something that is impossibble

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    Re: <Have/Had > never been born

    You may want to see http://www.youtube.com/embed/-vefS0B1DIY

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