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    proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    We know that proposal verbs and expressions are followed by a simple verb in a that clause.
    But however this sentence seems weird to me:
    There is a notice on the board that everyone have to register till September.
    I think I need to say 'has to' here.
    What do you think?

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    #2

    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    You are right. "Everyone" is followed by the singular verb.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #3

    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    We know that proposal verbs and expressions are followed by a simple verb in a that clause."
    We do? You might know what I think whenever someone starts a post with "We know that ..." - We usually don't know it, and it's likely untrue.
    "Expressions are followed by a simple verb in a that clause." - What are you calling an expression? Can you give a few examples so that I can demonstrate that they do not have to be followed by a that clause.

    In any case, "There is a notice on the board
    saying that everyone has to register by September." There's a missing word.
    You are correct about the error with 'have'.



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    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Can you give a few examples ...
    The rule says it can be followed by a simple verb in that clause.
    Some examples of proposal expressions followed by a simple verb in a that clause:
    It is important that everyone go studying.
    It is vital that everyone be quiet in the ambush.
    There is a rule that she be first.
    Am I right?

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    #5

    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by atabitaraf View Post
    a simple verb
    Do you mean the present subjunctive, which is the same as the bare infinitive form?

    Quote Originally Posted by atabitaraf View Post
    proposal expressions
    Do you mean something like 'I propose that he consult dictionaries'?

    Not a teacher.
    Last edited by Matthew Wai; 07-Nov-2014 at 10:25. Reason: Typo

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    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by atabitaraf View Post
    The rule says it can be followed by a simple verb in that clause.
    Some examples of proposal expressions followed by a simple verb in a that clause:
    Well you've changed "proposal verbs and expressions" to "proposal expressions". It's almost impossible to answer a question when it keeps changing.
    I suggest that you think you have a rule that might exist, but which you can't explain.
    It is important that everyone go studying.
    It is vital that everyone be quiet in the ambush.
    There is a rule that she be first.
    So, to your sentences:
    "It is important to brush your teeth regularly." (No that clause)
    "It is vital to eat a healthy diet." (No that clause)
    "There is a rule about many things." (No that clause)
    And Matthew's: "I propose a toast." (No that clause)
    You ask whether you are right or not. Again this depends on whether you can write your rule in English unambiguously or not. Otherwise there's no way to judge.
    Last edited by Raymott; 06-Nov-2014 at 17:45.

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    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    So, to your sentences:
    "It is important to brush your teeth regularly." (No that clause)
    "It is vital to eat a healthy diet." (No that clause)
    "There is a rule about many things." (No that clause)
    And Matthew's: "I propose a toast." (No that clause)
    Most respectfully thank for your help but I said it can NOT it must. All your sentences are clear to me but the question is that if the following rule is correct?
    Proposal expressions, including proposal verbs, can be followed by a simple verb (bare infinitive) in a that clause.

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    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Do you mean the present subjective, which is the same as the bare infinitive form?

    Yes sure.

    Do you mean something like 'I propose that he consult dictionaries'?

    Not a teacher.
    Yes sure.

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    #9

    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by atabitaraf View Post
    Most respectfully thank for your help but I said it can NOT it must.
    Just as respectfully, I'll explain. You said, "We know that proposal verbs and expressions are followed by a simple verb in a that clause." You said neither 'can' nor 'must'. "Are followed" generally means "are always followed" in English when you are stating a rule. For example, you can't say, "We know that babies are female", and then say that you meant that they can be female. That's not what such a sentence means.

    Proposal expressions, including proposal verbs, can be followed by a simple verb (bare infinitive) in a that clause.
    Yes, they can be. I agree.

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    Re: proposal verbs are followed by simple verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Do you mean the present subjective, which is the same as the bare infinitive form?
    I think you mean the present subjunctive.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 10-Nov-2014 at 02:04.

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