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    school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    1. He goes to school >> so he is a student.
    2. He goes to the school >> so he is not a student.
    3. He goes to church >> so who is he?
    4. He goes to the church >> ?
    5. He goes to hospital >> ?
    6. He goes to the hospital >> ?

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    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    Do you have a question for us, abitaraf? What does >> mean?

    When must you submit the answers to this exercise to your teacher?
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Do you have a question for us, abitaraf? What does >> mean?

    When must you submit the answers to this exercise to your teacher?
    I used '>>' to better isolate the statements and conclusions out of the statements.
    (No, ma'am, I'm not a student, I teach, and these are some of the points I found in different ways for Br E and Ame E so I wanted to clarify the ambiguity. I would be grateful if you helped.)

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    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by atabitaraf View Post
    I used '>>' to better isolate the statements and conclusions out of the statements.
    (No, ma'am, I'm not a student, I teach, and these are some of the points I found in different ways for Br E and Ame E so I wanted to clarify the ambiguity. I would be grateful if you helped.)
    Don't you think it would have been helpful to explain all of that in post #1 instead of just presenting us with a list of unconnected and strangely punctuated statements and conclusions?

    Please explain what ambiguities between BrE and AmE you were trying to demonstrate.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    You're right, it was due to the punctuation I usually use on the board in class for the time limitations, sorry.

    I remember I've seen it somewhere that in the sentence 'He went to hospital.' British people think of 'he' as a patient but Americans do not. I wanted to know the general rule in each dialect, and the subject in each of the mentioned sentences when 'the' is not used.

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    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    Certainly, in BrE, "He went to hospital" would suggest that he was ill or injured in some way. I don't know about AmE.
    Last edited by bhaisahab; 15-Nov-2014 at 15:10.

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    #7

    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    In the US, patients, visitors and medical staff all go to THE hospital.
    She was in a car accident. She is in the hospital.
    Mary is visiting a friend who was in a car accident. Mary is at the hospital.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    In the US, patients, visitors and medical staff all go to THE hospital.
    She was in a car accident. She is in the hospital.
    Mary is visiting a friend who was in a car accident. Mary is at the hospital.
    Thank you, is it just for the hospital or you use 'the' for other public places as well?
    More specifically, who goes to church/temple? Who goes to the church/temple?

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    #9

    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    We use church/synagogue/school the same was as they do in the UK.

    Go to church to participate in religious services. Go to the church to go to go the building.
    Go to school to attend classes. Go to the school to go to the building.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #10

    Re: school, the school, church, the church, hospital, the hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by atabitaraf View Post
    1. He goes to school >> so he is a student.
    2. He goes to the school >> so he is not a student.
    A person who goes to church is a churchgoer. (No, I'm not kidding.)
    However, it's illogical to say that a person who merely goes to a church is not a churchgoer, or that someone who goes to a school is not a student.
    So, 2 is fallacious.

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