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    Hi,

    - Gandalf is not a specifically Christian character in any sense in The Lord of The Rings.
    - Gandalf is not specifically a Christian character in any sense The Lord of The Rings.
    - Gandalf is specifically not a Christian character in any sense The Lord of The Rings.

    I have difficulty in putting the adverb 'specifically' in those sentences. Which one is better according to you?

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    What do you wish to say? The placement affects the meaning.

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    What I wish to say is that although some assert that Gandalf is considered as a Christian character in the story, he is not in any sense. By the way, I cannot understand how the placement affects the meaning.

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    You believe that Gandalf is definitely not a Christian, or is not meant to represent a Christian?

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    Re: Gandalf is not a specifically / Gandalf is specifically not a ...

    The second one. He does not represent a Chiristian.

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    Re: Gandalf is not a specifically / Gandalf is specifically not a ...

    Then you mean that he is specifically not a Christian. The author was specific in letting us know he was not a Christian.

    If he was not specifically a Christian, this means that it is possible, that the author did not specifically state that he was a Christian, but that he could be.

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    In any sense, Tolkien's stated mission was to bring to English what we Icelanders already have: sagas and oral-tradition myths. Even Beowulf is ultimately Scandinavian. So, while it is likely that Judeo-Christian values would have been elements the author would have taken very seriously as just and correct, the 'period piece' would have been tailored to match pre-Christian times and Norse mythology -- to a great extent. I think the WWII symbolism is more obvious than any Christian elements, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    I think the WWII symbolism is more obvious than any Christian elements, however.
    Sorry for this post being a little off-topic, but, being a fantasy lover and having "The Lord of the Rings" at hand, I could not help commenting on this.

    With reference to some kind of WWII symbolism, it is interesting to note that Tolkien was strongly opposed to such an allegory. The following is what Talkien himself wrote about it.

    "...The crucial chapter, 'The Shadow of the Past', is one of the oldest parts of the tale. It was written long before the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable disaster, and from that point the story would have developed along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been averted. Its sources long before in mind, or in some cases already written, and little or nothing in it was modified by the war that began in 1939 or its sequels.
    The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. If it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researchers into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruller of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt: they would not long have survived even as slaves."

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