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    The preposition "outwith"

    "[The proposition] ... had already been held to be outwith Scots law." *

    My dictionary tells me that "outwith" is a Scots word meaning "outside / beyond."


    1. Do people in England also use this preposition? (Americans, of course, do not.)

    2. Can this preposition also be used in a literal sense? E.g., "She lives outwith Edinburgh."


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    James


    * London Review of Books (print edition), 22 January 2015, page 22.


    P.S. I am 77 years old. This is the first time that I have heard of this word. It shows that reading is the only way to enlarge one's vocabulary.

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    #2

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    I am 76, James, and it's the first time I have heard, too.

    I never expect to hear it again and don't intend to add it to my vocabulary anytime soon.

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    #3

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    I am not a teacher.

    I'd never heard of it either, so I looked it up in oxforddictionaries.com and the example sentence they give answers James's 2nd question, (as long as you're in Scotland, that is).

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    #4

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    I have only encountered it with sentences like "My wife is out with the dogs in the back yard."

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    #5

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    I've never heard it in southern England.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #6

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    Amazing! Born and bred north of the Caledonian Canal, I have used the term "outwith" all my life, and I had not realised until now that it was specific to Scotland. Since I have not actually lived there for the past 40 years or so, it would seem that I have left a trail of bemused English/Irish/Welsh/Canadians/Americans/Australians etc etc in my wake, as I blithely talked about things being "outwith my experience" and matters being "outwith the scope of this discussion", and so on.

    Sigh... Every day's a schoolday.

    PS. Go on, Rover_KE: give it a try!

    PPS. You want to get out more, emsr2d2.
    I'm not a teacher of English, but I have spoken it for (almost) all of my life....

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    #7

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    I'm glad someone confirmed its regular usage the other side of Hadrian's Wall! I rather like it. I'll try and get out more, Grumpy though, in my defence, I've visited 27 countries and I've been to Scotland 3 times. Clearly, no-one had the need to use "outwith" with me while I was there.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #8

    Re: The preposition "outwith"

    I've been to Scotland three times also, and I don't remember hearing it.

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