Results 1 to 9 of 9
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Armenian
      • Home Country:
      • Armenia
      • Current Location:
      • Armenia

    • Join Date: Apr 2014
    • Posts: 251
    #1

    suffer to slumber

    Hi, people. Could you suggest another synonym of "suffer" that will suit the given context? What I have in mind is "subjected to" or "condemned to." Do you agree with my options?

    "Alas! the grim legion of sepulchral terrors cannot be regarded as altogether fanciful — but, like the Demons in whose company Afrasiab made his voyage down the Oxus, they must sleep, or they will devour us — they must be suffered
    to slumber, or we perish."
    (http://poestories.com/read/premature)
    Last edited by Mher; 04-Mar-2015 at 07:53.
    2015 is the 100th Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide - the first genocide of the 20th century.

  1. Grumpy's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Aug 2009
    • Posts: 972
    #2

    Re: suffer to slumber

    How about simply "made to"?
    I'm not a teacher of English, but I have spoken it for (almost) all of my life....

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • New Zealand
      • Current Location:
      • Australia

    • Join Date: Nov 2010
    • Posts: 2,013
    #3

    Re: suffer to slumber

    not a teacher


    "There are moments when, even to the sober eye of Reason, the world of our sad Humanity may assume the semblance of a Hell – but the imagination of man is no Carathis, to explore with impunity its every cavern. Alas! the grim legion of sepulchral terrors cannot be regarded as altogether fanciful — but, like the Demons in whose company Afrasiab made his voyage down the Oxus, they must sleep, or they will devour us — they must be suffered to slumber, or we perish."

    As the sentence preceding the OP's quoted passage seems to be warning against investigating the dark corners of our humanity too thoroughly, and thereby disturbing various demons, perhaps "they must be allowed to slumber" is what's intended.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Armenian
      • Home Country:
      • Armenia
      • Current Location:
      • Armenia

    • Join Date: Apr 2014
    • Posts: 251
    #4

    Re: suffer to slumber

    Quote Originally Posted by JMurray View Post
    not a teacher


    "There are moments when, even to the sober eye of Reason, the world of our sad Humanity may assume the semblance of a Hell – but the imagination of man is no Carathis, to explore with impunity its every cavern. Alas! the grim legion of sepulchral terrors cannot be regarded as altogether fanciful — but, like the Demons in whose company Afrasiab made his voyage down the Oxus, they must sleep, or they will devour us — they must be suffered to slumber, or we perish."

    As the sentence preceding the OP's quoted passage seems to be warning against investigating the dark corners of our humanity too thoroughly, and thereby disturbing various demons, perhaps "they must be allowed to slumber" is what's intended.
    Or maybe "they must be left to sleep."
    2015 is the 100th Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide - the first genocide of the 20th century.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • New Zealand
      • Current Location:
      • Australia

    • Join Date: Nov 2010
    • Posts: 2,013
    #5

    Re: suffer to slumber

    not a teacher


    Or maybe "they must be left to sleep."

    That's more-or-less the sense for "allow" that I was suggesting.

    Definition #2. "Give the necessary time or opportunity forů"
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us..._english/allow
    Last edited by JMurray; 04-Mar-2015 at 09:05.

  2. probus's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Canada
      • Current Location:
      • Canada

    • Join Date: Jan 2011
    • Posts: 3,458
    #6

    Re: suffer to slumber

    To me, "to suffer" someone to do something means "to permit or allow" him or her to do so, usually reluctantly. It is an antiquated usage.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Armenian
      • Home Country:
      • Armenia
      • Current Location:
      • Armenia

    • Join Date: Apr 2014
    • Posts: 251
    #7

    Re: suffer to slumber

    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    To me, "to suffer" someone to do something means "to permit or allow" him or her to do so, usually reluctantly. It is an antiquated usage.
    That is what I meant when I suggested "condemned to" in my original post.
    2015 is the 100th Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide - the first genocide of the 20th century.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Laos

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 57,888
    #8

    Re: suffer to slumber

    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    To me, "to suffer" someone to do something means "to permit or allow" him or her to do so, usually reluctantly. It is an antiquated usage.
    The only example that comes to mind reading the thread is Jesus' Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me.

  3. Charlie Bernstein's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Jan 2009
    • Posts: 3,592
    #9

    Re: suffer to slumber

    Suffer as it's used there is old-fashioned, maybe even somewhat archaic. But it's not wrong. To suffer someone to do something is to allow it or put up with it, but not to like it, want it, or encourage it.

    Shakespeare: "The eagle suffers little birds to sing."

    My vote: it's fine as is.
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

Similar Threads

  1. suffer from/suffer depression
    By joham in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 24-Mar-2011, 10:16
  2. slumber party
    By sonyet in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-Jan-2010, 22:24
  3. cannot suffer/suffer from the cold weather
    By joham in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-Aug-2009, 09:03
  4. sleep, nap, drowse, slumber, snooze
    By Unregistered in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 17-Oct-2007, 13:36
  5. a slumber party
    By pamir in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 22-May-2003, 16:10

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •