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    #61

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    So, in your view, Taiwan students are better at pronouncing English than native English speakers? I seriously doubt that.

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    #62

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    So, in your view, Taiwan students are better at pronouncing English than native English speakers? I seriously doubt that.
    Taiwan students who learn English pronunciation with phonetic symbols learn it more efficiently; they are not better at pronouncing English than native English speakers.

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    #63

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    I think some people learn better with phonetic symbols and some don't. Perhaps Taiwanese students fall into the former category. Native speakers learn perfectly efficiently by listening to everyone around them.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #64

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    Possibly Taiwanese children have an accent problem they must overcome.

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    #65

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Possibly Taiwanese children have an accent problem they must overcome.
    Taiwanese teachers and students of English care about standard (American) English pronunciation. Generally speaking, Taiwanese have an English accent more similar to that of general American English speakers than Singaporeans, Indians and Japanese.
    I taught English pronunciation and grammar at high school five years before I switched to law at college. I graduated from college in Taipei, and spent several years studying in Texas, California, New York, and Scotland.

    *Oxford Eng. Dict.:
    Accent: A distinctive way of pronouncing a language, especially one associated with a particular country, area, or social class
    Pronunciation: The way in which a word is pronounced

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    #66

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    You have already admitted that Taiwanese students don't pronounce English as well as American students. That tells me that while you think Taiwanese students need your system, American students don't.

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    #67

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

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    You have already admitted that Taiwanese students don't pronounce English as well as American students. That tells me that while you think Taiwanese students need your system, American students don't.
    I am concerned with efficiency and effectiveness of teaching and learning of English pronunciation.

    Popular English dictionaries such as Oxford, Cambridge, Collins, Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, and Longman carry phonetic symbols. Teachers and students can use any phonetic system.

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    #68

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    You are repeating yourself.

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    #69

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    You are repeating yourself.
    I think American students will be better off in their pronunciation when they learn an English phonetic system.

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    #70

    Re: pronunciations of O and I

    And we have established that most of us think you are wrong. We are going round in circles. I can see the benefit of phonetic symbols for people learning a foreign language. I see no benefit for native English speakers when they are learning their own native language.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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