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    would like made

    Hi,

    I have come across sentences like this:

    "Please indicate what arrangements you would like made for the homework at that time."

    I am wondering what structure "would like made" is.

    Thanks.

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    Re: would like made

    'You would like arrangements made.'
    'Made' is a past participle modifying the noun 'arrangements', which is the object of the verb 'like'.

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    Re: would like made

    Welcome to the forum, samchris.

    Think of it as '...what arrangements you would like there to be' or '...what arrangements you would like me to make'.

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    Re: would like made

    'Please indicate what arrangements you would like to be made for the homework at that time.'
    Would the meaning remain unchanged if 'to be' was added?

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    Re: would like made

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Would the meaning remain unchanged if 'to be' was added?
    Yes, that's what it means. Hence 'arrangements' is not the object of 'like' as you said in #2. You are right this time.

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    Re: would like made

    Do you mean 'something' is not the object of 'like' in 'someone would like something (to be) made'?

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    Re: would like made

    Thanks for the reply.

    How do I know "to be" is omitted? Under what circumstances can I omit "to be" then?

    Is there a name for this grammar structure?

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    Re: would like made

    Quote Originally Posted by samchris View Post
    How do I know "to be" is omitted? Under what circumstances can I omit "to be" then?
    Is there a name for this grammar structure?
    You don't know. It will come with experience.
    It's called ellipsis. (Not to be confused with '...' which is also called ellipsis)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_%28linguistics%29
    I seem to be posting this page a lot lately.

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    Re: would like made

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Do you mean 'something' is not the object of 'like' in 'someone would like something (to be) made'?
    I take your point. But:
    To me, the object of "Someone would like something to be made" is "something to be made". It might be true that Someone would like something, and that's why they are asking for it to be made. But the sentence doesn't say that.
    How about, "Jack wants the rubbish thrown out"? Does Jack want the rubbish? No. 'Rubbish' is not the object of 'wants'.
    The actual grammatical object depends on the way the sentence is structured though, and there are some difficult sentences with ellipses which disguise the true object of the verb.

    Compare:

    • She thought that the contract had ended. (Step 1. Find the verb = thought)
      (Step 2. Ask What? = that the contract had ended)
      (Therefore, the direct object is that the contract had ended.)

    http://www.grammar-monster.com/gloss...ect_object.htm

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    Re: would like made

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    You don't know. It will come with experience.
    It's called ellipsis. (Not to be confused with '...' which is also called ellipsis)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_%28linguistics%29
    I seem to be posting this page a lot lately.
    Thanks for your reply Raymott.

    Do you know if there are any grammar books discussing this particular grammar structure - that is "would like something to be done" with "to be" elided?

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