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    the university by Texas

    Quote from a Harvard open course:
    Is there a principled distinction between the invocation of the social purpose of the college or the university today in the diversity rationale and the invocation of the social purpose or mission of the university by Texas in the 1950s or Harvard in the 1930s? Is there a difference in principle?
    I wonder why it should not be "the university of Texas "?
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    Re: the university by Texas

    The way I'm reading it, the writer wonders whether the mission that universities invoke today is different than the missions invoked by Texas in the '50s or Harvard in the '30s.

    "Is there a... distinction between the invocation... today... and the invocation... by Texas... or Harvard...."

    Does that fit the sense of the article?
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    The way I'm reading it, the writer wonders whether the mission that universities invoke today is different than the missions invoked by Texas in the '50s or Harvard in the '30s.

    "Is there a... distinction between the invocation... today... and the invocation... by Texas... or Harvard...."

    Does that fit the sense of the article?
    Yes, it does. In that case ,can I just say "the invocation of the social purpose of colleges or universities today....invocation of the social purpose or mission of universities by Texas "?
    Thank you so much.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    Probably. But if you're doing a rewrite, why make it that convoluted?

    Several of the instructors here have said that Harvard's open-source texts are badly written. Of what I've seen, that's true. For example, the phrase "the invocation of the social purpose or mission" is really brutal abuse of a perfectly good language.
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    The University of Texas was established in 1883. There is no reason to refer to it as the University by Texas. It is just wrong.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    Probably. But if you're doing a rewrite, why make it that convoluted?

    Several of the instructors here have said that Harvard's open-source texts are badly written. Of what I've seen, that's true. For example, the phrase "the invocation of the social purpose or mission" is really brutal abuse of a perfectly good language.
    Maybe because it's a transcript from a spoken lecture, the language may not be so perfect.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    If this was a native English speaker, there is no way the person could confuse the University of Texas with the University by Texas. This is just impossible.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    Could it be the State of Texas? It makes no sense as the name of the university to me.

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    Re: the university by Texas

    Read it as "the mission of the university" by Texas or by Harvard. What was Texas' goal in chartering and furthering a university?

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    Re: the university by Texas

    Ah! Good point, Dave.

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