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    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by TaiwanPofLee View Post
    To Charlie (#5):

    I ask because I advocate teaching and learning of phonetic symbols.
    Oh. But we know how those words sound. We already speak English fluently.

    Asian names aren't usually hard because they're either spelled more or less phonetically (Nguyen is a good example) or so badly spelled that there's no hope - like Peking versus Beijing.

    European names are the trickiest for us, because the phonetic rules of the alphabet change across borders. For instance:

    Italian: I knew a guy named Lenny Bisceglia - pronounced Bi-SHELL-ee.

    Polish: I knew a guy named Dave Pizcz, pronounced Peesh, and an Ed Lachowicz, pronounced La-HO-vich.

    French: Here in Maine, there are a lot of French Canadians. Cloutier is pronounced CLOO-chee, CLOOT-yay, and CLOOT-ee-er.

    I'm like Ems: If I look up a word, it's for the meaning, not the pronunciation.
    Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 13-May-2015 at 04:56.
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    #12

    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

    You have brought up the major reason that phonemic symbols don't help much with surnames.

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    #14

    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by TaiwanPofLee View Post
    Nice!

    In the U.S., we don't spell Chin Qin. We spell it Chin.

    Euler is a fun one. I had a math homework assignment of creating an Euler circle and line:

    Euler circle and line

    Coincidentally, there's a new best-selling American novel by someone named Nguyen. Now I'm going to see it everywhere!
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    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

    The website says that "Euler" is pronounced "oiler" but is also pronounced "you ler".

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    I noticed that 'oiler' pronunciation, too. I'm not familiar with the surname Euler but I naturally pronounced it (in my head) as "you ler".

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    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

    I would assume it was German and because I'm familiar with German pronunciation, I would say "oiler" (or, more accurately, "oil-air"). However, it wouldn't surprise me if someone (who isn't German/Austrian/Swiss) with that surname Anglicised it and pronounced it "yoo-ler".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #18

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    Won't it be better if UK and USA each have standard pronunciation and a unified phonetic system to represent the sounds of English words, including names.

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    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

    With the variation in pronunciation of surnames, how could that be possible? There is also the variation in regional pronunciations of regular words.

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    Re: How many words in this sentence can you pronounce correctly?

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    Won't Wouldn't it be better if the UK and the USA each have had standard pronunciation and a unified phonetic system to represent the sounds of English words, including names?
    In my opinion, no. It is one of the joys of the English language that we have such varied accents and pronunciations. I realise that makes it much harder for non-native speakers but hey, everyone likes a challenge!

    In addition, as you have already seen, most of us don't learn pronunciation from phonetic symbols. They are simply not taught at school or in the home. We learn by listening and by hearing words around us all the time from an early age.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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