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    New York's weather or New York weather

    My question is simple: new york's weather or New York weather? Are they both correct? Why?

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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    It could depend on the context- what's the complete sentence?

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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    And don't forget to capitalise New York every time.

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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    They're both fine. In some cases either will do:

    - New York weather is grand.
    - New York's weather is grand.

    In some cases, you need the apostrophe:

    - New York's weather is better than Toronto's.

    In other cases, it's better not to:

    - A New York pigeon is used to New York weather.
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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    And don't forget to capitalise New York every time.
    And in New York, they say "Don't forget to capitalize."
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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    But when they say it, you can't tell there's a z in it.

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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    But when they say it, you can't tell there's a z in it.
    I thought that when the British say it, you can't tell that there's an S!
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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    I don't think it depends on the context. In AmE New York weather is now the more common by far, but to me both are correct in any context.

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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    I thought that when the British say it, you can't tell that there's an S!
    If you were right about this, then the British would be wrong, and, as we all know, that never happens.

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    Re: New York's weather or New York weather

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    Hello, Bokkie:

    Thanks for the thought-provoking question that prevented me from getting much sleep last night.

    1. To me, there seems to be a definite difference between "a" and "b." But I am unable to articulate (explain) that difference.

    a. "The coastal mountain ranges partly control California's weather." -- ENCYCLOPEDIA OF CALIFORNIA (1999).
    b. "The television spots [commercials] emphasize the paradise-like qualities of California weather immortalized by the Beach Boys." -- CRITICAL PEDAGOGIES (2009)

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    2. I found three quotations that may interest you.

    c. "The show closed early because Jolson didn't like New York's weather anymore and wanted to return to Los Angeles." -- NO LEGS, NO JOKES (2008).
    d. "I left Southern California without giving any thought to what New York weather might be like." -- TELL ME NO (2010).
    e. "Hating the New York weather, Grove decided to move to California." -- ICONS OF BUSINESS (2007).


    (All of these books were accessed through the "books" section of Google, where thousands of books have been digitalized for our use. It's a good way to see how professional writers use the language. Simply type in "New York's weather" (use the quotation marks!), and you'll be given many example sentences. Then do the same for "New York weather.")

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