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    #61

    Re: guessing function of infinitive verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by mawes12 View Post
    I think things are better when it is understandable.



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    Since your thread has been moved to the "General Discussions" forum, I guess that we are allowed to discuss things that are slightly off topic. (In the "Ask a Teacher" forum, it was necessary to discuss only the function of "to feed my cat.")

    Another poster told us that you are a native speaker. So I just wanted to congratulate on your interest in grammar.

    As you will know from experience, VERY few native speakers have any interest in grammar, let alone in analyzing what they say and write.

    Personally speaking, I hope that you will continue to question any grammar construction that puzzles you. If nothing else, it's a great hobby.

    Thanks to you, whenever I read something now, I stop when I come to an infinitive and ask myself: "How is that infinitive being used?"

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    Re: guessing function of infinitive verbs

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    VERY few native speakers have any interest in grammar
    My sister, an English teacher, once told me that native speakers could speak fluently without having to think about grammar──or words to that effect. Is that the case?

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    #63

    Re: guessing function of infinitive verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Is that the case?


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    I, of course, do not have the answer, but your sister's statement seems to be spot on.

    Most Americans now say, "It is me.," for that's what most Americans say, rule or no rule.

    More and more Americans seem to be saying something like, "They bought a gift for my wife and I.," rule or no rule.

    Very few Americans seem to care (or even notice) if you say, "I have less friends than you.," rule or no rule.

    And -- the greatest "horror" of all -- many Americans do not seem the least embarrassed to say something like "Me and friend went to Disneyland.," rule or no rule.


    Can we define the term "native speaker" as someone who does NOT think about grammar before opening the mouth?

    You will notice that most members who post questions in the "Ask a Teacher" forum are not interested in terminology -- but how to use the language in an effective and natural manner.

    P.S. Speaking of rules, I am sure that some writing teachers went bananas because of where I placed the comma in " '.....to Disneyland.,' rule or no rule." I have seen the comma so placed in many reputable American magazines, so I have adopted their "rule."

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    #64

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    It's true, that not a lot of people are interested in grammar. I got to thank you all and god for having people like you who can help and are interested in good things like this. I hope y'all get blessed/lucky and get good things in life. Do you guys think we're done with this topic?

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    #65

    Re: guessing function of infinitive verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Yes, mawes, but the grammar label does not increase comprehension.
    Do you mean my title or the forum's title?

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    #66

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    I guess he means the grammar term, but I am not a teacher.

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    #67

    Re: guessing function of infinitive verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I guess he means the grammar term, but I am not a teacher.
    Well, at least I have a better understanding of infinitive function. Thanks to those who listen and made it more understood.

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