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    Independent clause + comma + and + dependent clause + comma + independent clause

    Here is a sample sentence with the clause arrangment in question:

    She is certain about it, and if she has a backache, she will take medication.

    I believe this sentence to be punctuated correctly.

    I need the brilliant and helpful people here to tell me how to explain to someone why a "comma plus and" can legitimately separate an independent from a dependent clause.

    I think of "if she has a backache, she will take medication" as something like a unit, which is why it can take a "comma plus and" to separate main from dependent clause--because the main clause is following right behind the dependent clause.

    Does my "unit" concept pass muster with the educators here?


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    #2

    Re: Independent clause + comma + and + dependent clause + comma + independent clause

    Your first comma separates two independent clauses. Thus, it is correct. The second comma has nothing to do with that.

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    Re: Independent clause + comma + and + dependent clause + comma + independent clause

    First of all, my question is about the first comma, not the second comma.

    Second of all, "if she has a backache" is a dependent clause, not an independent clause.

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    #4

    Re: Independent clause + comma + and + dependent clause + comma + independent clause

    Quote Originally Posted by donnach View Post

    I think of "if she has a backache, she will take medication" as something like a unit, which is why it can take a "comma plus and" to separate main from dependent clause--because the main clause is following right behind the dependent clause.
    I agree.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Independent clause + comma + and + dependent clause + comma + independent clause

    Another justification for the correct placing of the comma, is that if two commas are used parenthetically, as they are here, the phrase within them should be able to be deleted and still leave a grammatically correct sentence.
    With "She is certain about it, and if she has a backache, she will take medication.", this doesn't happen.

    "Comma style has changed over time, and probably will continue to."
    "Comma style has changed over time and, at least as I see it, probably will continue to." OR
    "Comma style has changed over time, and, at least as I see it, probably will continue to." This is probably most correct, but, as with full stops, the number of commas used is possibly decreasing.

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    Re: Independent clause + comma + and + dependent clause + comma + independent clause

    Quote Originally Posted by donnach View Post
    First of all, my question is about the first comma, not the second comma.

    Second of all, "if she has a backache" is a dependent clause, not an independent clause.
    But the second independent clause does not end with "backache". There is more to the sentence.

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