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    Identification In The Photograph

    I have a question about the usage of the pattern "identification in" pattern here:


    "Three Marines depicted in the photograph, Harlon Block, Franklin Sousley, and Michael Strank, were killed in action over the next few days. The three surviving flag-raisers were Marines Rene Gagnon, Ira Hayes, and Navy Corpsman John Bradley. The latter three became celebrities after their identifications in the photograph."


    The act of identifying the flag-raisers was external to the photo and after the photo was taken. So, is the "in" in the part "identifications in the photograph" be wrong? Would "identifications from the photograph", where "from" implies the source of information, be better?

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    No, because they're identifying who the people in the photograph are, even though it happened after the photo was taken.

    If you say 'identifications from a photo', it suggests that you're taking a photo where you know the person, and use that photo to verify the person in real life.

    For example, a policeman might identify a criminal from photo book of known suspects. You might identify a body from a photograph. You might identify a celebrity from a photo.

    The two are opposites. 'identifications in a photo' - you have a photo with unknown people, and try to match known people to the picture. 'identification from a photo' - you have a photo with known people, and try to match the photo with real people you're looking at.

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    How is the "in" in "their identifications in the photograph" different from the "in" in "their gestures in the photograph"?

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    People are still in photographs. You can guess how they were gesturing, but you can only see their position at that moment.

    Are they different? Both are depicted in the photograph - their faces and their positions.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

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    So, "...their identifications in the photograph" is poorly written?

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    No. Please tell me how you drew that conclusion from my post.
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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

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    But for "The latter three became celebrities after their identifications in the photograph", the "identifications" are actions outside of the photograph.

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    Perhaps one day I will understand your drive to find examples of English that is "poorly written" or "technical jargon" or some other way of writing you find imagined fault with. Or maybe I won't.

    Who is in this photo?
    Do you know this guy in the photo?
    I can identify two of the people in this photo, but not the third.

    This is all common usage. "In" is fine. Stop looking for a reason to call it wrong.
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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    @Barb_D

    I would've agree with this:


    "....upon the identifications of three men in the photo"


    , because the "in" goes with "three men", not with "identifications", and the three men are definitely "in" the photo. But I don't like this:


    "....upon their identifications in the photo"


    , because the "in" clearly goes with "identifications", and the act of identifying ("identifications") is itself not "in" the photo.

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    Re: Identification In The Photograph

    No, no, and no. There's nothing 'in the men'. The men are 'in the photo'. Somebody identified the men in the photo. (Hey, look, that's Bob in the picture!). Thus the identifications were in the photo. They weren't identified later at a shopping mall, they were identified later in the picture.

    I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to break the English language, or are just really, really over-thinking the question.

    It's like you're trying to drive a nail with a beer bottle, then claiming the beer made the glass defective. Just drink the beer, and use a hammer.

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