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    Right. Well I think particularly in the US so many people’s beliefs are driven by their religious beliefs and umm like Mark the other day, I’m Christian, I’m Catholic and I had to decide for myself like on a lot of thought, a lot of prayer, a lot of conversations with other people that I disagreed with, the Catholic stand point that homosexuality itself isn’t a sin and once I came to that sort of conclusion with my personal relationship with God, like I mean that sounds hokey right, that’s like oh religious but a lot of people are religious and that’s where they draw their beliefs and views from umm that’s when I could say yeah I’m I’m down with the state saying go same sex marriage because I’m OK with that and I think that’s morally OK.
    Does 'disagreed with' refer back to other people , or does it mean that she disagreed with Catholic stand point? According to the punctuation ,it seems that it refers back to other people. But it's oral transcript ,I'm not sure if the punctuation is right.
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    Re: disagreed with

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    Does 'disagreed with' refer back to other people
    I think so, but I am not a teacher.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterding View Post
    does it mean that she disagreed with Catholic stand point?
    I don't think so, because there is a comma between 'disagreed with' and 'the Catholic stand point'.

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    Re: disagreed with

    She had conversations with people with whom she disagreed.

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    Re: disagreed with

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    I think so, but I am not a teacher.


    I don't think so, because there is a comma between 'disagreed with' and 'the Catholic stand point'.
    Yes, I agree. But it's an oral transcript , I 'm afraid that there may be some mistakes there. I've listened to this part serval times, the speaker paused at 'other people' ,then continued with 'that I disagreed with the Catholic stand point'. It sounded like she was saying the she disagreed with the Catholic stand point.

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    Re: disagreed with

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    She had conversations with people with whom she disagreed.
    From the transcript ,yes, it means so. But from what I heard , it sounded like the speaker was saying she disagreed with Catholic stand point. She paused at 'other people' ,then continued with 'that I disagreed with the Catholic stand point'.
    If the punctuation is right, does it mean she was saying that she decided for herself that the Catholic stand point is that homosexuality itself isn’t a sin ?

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    Re: disagreed with

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    It sounded like she was saying the she disagreed with the Catholic stand point.
    I think it would sound so if 'that' was omitted before 'I disagreed with', but I am not a teacher.

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    We would need more context of this "stream of consciousness" babbling in order to figure it out. Her meaning would be easy to tell from a recording, I think. Not so much a transcript.

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    Re: disagreed with

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I think it would sound so if 'that' was omitted before 'I disagreed with', but I am not a teacher.
    Could be that 'that' refers back to 'decide for myself'? I had to decide for myself... that I disagreed with the Catholic stand point that homosexuality itself isn’t a sin. But that would be contradictory to the fact that she is a defender of same sex marriage.
    If the punction is right as it is, should there be a 'is' there? I had to decide for myself... (that) the Catholic stand point is that homosexuality itself isn’t a sin.

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    Re: disagreed with

    Here's more context:
    Michael Sandel: All right and the analogyin the same sex marriage case is you said youíre a defender of same sex marriage.

    Andrea: Yeah

    Michael Sandel: But you only came to that view once you were persuaded on the underlying moral question.

    Andrea: Right. Well I think particularly in the US so many peopleís beliefs are driven by their religious beliefs and umm like Mark the other day, Iím Christian, Iím Catholic and I had to decide for myself like on a lot of thought, a lot of prayer, a lot of conversations with other people that I disagreed with, the Catholic stand point that homosexuality itself isnít a sin and once I came to that sort of conclusion with my personal relationship with God, like I mean that sounds hokey right, thatís like oh religious but a lot of people are religious and thatís where they draw their beliefs and views from umm thatís when I could say yeah Iím Iím down with the state saying go same sex marriage because Iím OK with that and I think thatís morally OK.

    I think her point is that homosexuality itself isnít a sin , because she is a defender of same sex marriage .
    Suppose the punction is right as it is, should there be a 'is' there? ie., I had to decide for myself... (that) the Catholic stand point is that homosexuality itself isnít a sin.

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    Re: disagreed with

    Quote Originally Posted by masterding View Post
    Could be that 'that' refers back to 'decide for myself'? I had to decide for myself... that I disagreed with the Catholic stand point...
    I think it is possible, but I am not a teacher.

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