What does it mean when says "You have checkmate"?!

[Asgarpour]

Hi, everybody
I have got a question!
Somewhere at a movie I heard somebody said "You have checkmate".
Did he mean that you had won the chess or vice versa?
Please help
Thanks in advance

 

[MikeNewYork]

Usually, it would mean that the other person won the match.

 

[Rover_KE]

Somewhere in a movie I heard somebody say "You have checkmate".
Did he mean that you had won the chess game or vice versa?

I have edited out the unnecessary words from your post, Asgarpour.

I disagree with Mike. For me, you have won the game.

If somebody said 'You are in checkmate', your opponent would have won.

 

[MikeNewYork]

If one wins, I would expect I have checkmate.

 

[Asgarpour]

Somewhere in a movie I heard somebody say "You have checkmate".
Did he mean that you had won the chess game or vice versa?

I am not a native speaker. So I am very keen to know why "say" would be correct than "said" in my phrase?
I really need to know. Please explain me.

 

[teechar]

I heard somebody say "You have checkmate".

The main verb in that sentence is "heard", while "say" is a bare infinitive.

The pattern here is: subject (I) + verb (heard) + object (somebody) + bare infinitive (say)

;-)

 

[Asgarpour]

The main verb in that sentence is "heard", while "say" is a bare infinitive.

The pattern here is: subject (I) + verb (heard) + object (somebody) + bare infinitive (say)

;-)

Yes, you are absolutely right. But my original phrase was "I heard that somebody said".

 

[teechar]

I heard somebody said "You have checkmate".

Hmm, not that I can find it!

 

[Asgarpour]

My question has not been answered yet! Finally, what is the meaning of "You have checkmate"?
Is it "You have won the chess game" or the other way around?
Somebody help.

 

[Raymott]

You've had some opinions. There appears to be no consensus. It's not something that is common to say, and therefore each person can only say what they would take it to mean. Not everything has a "real" meaning.

 

[Skrej]

The only context I can think of to say "You have checkmate." is to point out to somebody that they've achieved checkmate - possibly they didn't realize it, and you're pointing out the game is over.

You could be saying this as the opponent, or as some kind of 3rd party observer.

 

[Tdol]

Here's my take (not a chess player and others may disagree):

Checkmate- normally said by the winning player as they win
You are in checkmate- said by the winning player
You have checkmate- said by the loser, acknowledging that they are about to lose

The first is the standard form.

 

[Asgarpour]

I have heard it in the movie "The Last Castle (2001)".
Let me put it here for you!
Eugene Irwin: You have checkmate in five moves.
Prisoner: Looks that way, sir. Why you movin' if I have checkmate in five moves?
Eugene Irwin: 'Cause I have checkmate in three.
Is there anyone who has watched that movie? or can tell me what it means according to the script?

 

[Skrej]

I have heard it in the movie "The Last Castle (2001)".
Let me put it here for you!
Eugene Irwin: You have checkmate in five moves. Here, it's my sugggested meaning in post #11.
Prisoner: Looks that way, sir. Why you movin' if I have checkmate in five moves? Here, it's similar to Tdol's first option in post #12, although it's being used to state the checkmate's about to occur.
Eugene Irwin: 'Cause I have checkmate in three. Same situation as the prisoner's usage above - being used to state he will have checkmate in the nearer future.
Is there anyone who has watched that movie? or can tell me what it means according to the script?

Why didn't you post this to begin with? It would have been more helpful to post this context right at the beginning - it would have eliminated all the debate, and given you a clear answer right away.

 

[Asgarpour]

Here's my take (not a chess player and others may disagree):

Checkmate- normally said by the winning player as they win
You are in checkmate- said by the winning player
You have checkmate- said by the loser, acknowledging that they are about to lose

The first is the standard form.

Thank you very very much for the answer.
I have got the answer by some search and a little thinking of course.
And I found out that you were absolutely right.
Anyway thank you again.

 

[Tdol]

Meaning cannot usually be divorced from context. :up: