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    past or past perfect?

    Hello, teachers.

    I've found the following:

    The lady who happened to visit our house yesterday found the vase on the shelf which my father made by himself much more precious than the one which she bought in Europe several years ago.


    Is this passage natural as it is?

    Or

    Should "she bought" become "she had bought"?


    Thank you very much in advance for your help.

    yam.

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    #2

    Re: past or past perfect?

    Did your father make the shelf?
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #3

    Re: past or past perfect?

    Should the sentence be the following?

    The lady who happened to visit our house yesterday found a vase which my father made by himself on the shelf much more precious than the one which she bought in Europe several years ago.

    yam.

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    #4

    Re: past or past perfect?

    The following is my suggestion, but I am not a teacher.

    'The lady who visited our house yesterday found the vase made by my father, which was on the shelf, much more precious than the one she bought in Europe several years ago.'

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    Re: past or past perfect?

    She found, on a shelf, a vase made by my father, which was much more precious than the vase the bought in Europe several years ago.
    On a shelf, she found a vase, made by my father, ...
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #6

    Re: past or past perfect?

    Quote Originally Posted by yamyam View Post
    Should "she bought" become "she had bought"?
    'Several years ago' as a time marker has already established the sequence, so I think both the simple past and the past perfect are OK, but I am not a teacher.

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    #7

    Re: past or past perfect?

    1. She found the vase precious.
    2. She found the vase which was precious. = She found the precious vase.

    Do #1 and #2 mean the same thing?
    (I suspect the OP's intended meaning was #1.
    I think Matthew's suggestion is closer to the original.)

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    Re: past or past perfect?

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Do #1 and #2 mean the same thing?
    I consider them different, because 'she found the vase precious' doesn't necessarily mean the vase was really precious, i.e. others might find it valueless, but I am not a teacher.

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    #9

    Re: past or past perfect?

    She found the vase precious could mean that she thought it was pretentious.

    Meaning 1.2.2
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...glish/precious

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