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    #1

    Placement of "also"

    Would somebody mind explaining the meaning of the following, please? The word "also" has been moved around, but I'm having trouble understanding how the meaning of the text has changed.

    "We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be joined by the Chancellor also."

    "We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be joined also by the Chancellor."

    "We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference.We were pleased to also be joined also by the Chancellor."

    "We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased also to be joined by the Chancellor."

    "We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be also joined by the Chancellor."

    "We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were also pleased to be joined by the Chancellor."

    Thank you for your time.


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    Re: Placement of "also"

    Not all of these variations sound natural, but they all have the same meaning. The meaning of the sentence doesn't change with the position of 'also'.

    They welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. The Chancellor joined the conference as well, which made them happy.

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    Re: Placement of "also"

    How about: We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were also pleased have the Chancellor grace the occasion.
    Last edited by tedmc; 01-Aug-2015 at 06:50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmc View Post
    We were also pleased have the Chancellor grace the occasion.
    'To' is missing after 'pleased'.
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    Re: Placement of "also"

    Welcome to the forum, sparklesdust.

    Only #1 sounds natural to me. In #3 you've used 'also' twice.


    Quote Originally Posted by tedmc View Post
    How about: We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were also pleased to have the Chancellor grace the occasion.
    It introduces a note of sycophancy which was mercifully absent from the original.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 01-Aug-2015 at 07:47.

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    Re: Placement of "also"

    Thank you all for your replies.


    Thanks for pointing out the error in #3, Rover_KE.

    Maybe it would be better if I explained my understanding of each of the examples.

    1."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be joined by the Chancellor also."
    My understanding: We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased that the Chancellor was one of the other attendees. The writer isn't necessarily pleased that the Prime Minister attended (although unlikely). The Oxford Dictionary says to welcome is to "greet (someone arriving) in a polite or friendly way". I've often welcomed people to events, even though I haven't been pleased to be joined by them.


    2."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be joined also by the Chancellor."
    Same as #1

    3."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference.We were pleased to also be joined by the Chancellor."
    Same as #1 and #2

    4."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased also to be joined by the Chancellor."
    Same as #1, #2, and #3

    5."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be also joined by the Chancellor."
    Same as #1, #2, #3 and #4

    6."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were also pleased to be joined by the Chancellor."
    We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased that the Prime Minister attended and pleased that the Chancellor attended.

    I've been reading about how the placement of "also" can change the meaning of sentences, so the responses I've received to my post so far have left me rather confused.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 01-Aug-2015 at 18:20. Reason: Deleting unnecessary quote.

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    Re: Placement of "also"

    To me,

    1. Is fine.
    2. Sounds contrived.
    3. I have heard used, but wouldn't use it.
    4. Is passable, but I wouldn't use it.
    5. I have heard used, but wouldn't use it.
    6. Is fine. This is probably the one I'd naturally use.

    Some of them sound like stretching the point for the sake of the exercise.

    I think much of this will be down to people's knowledge of grammar, and also down to regional traditions and preferences of sentence construction. You could probably get away with many of them in speech, because people would still know what you mean, but when things are written down they are usually more formal.
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    Thanks for responding.

    So, do you think the meaning changes depending on where "also" is?

    Have I misinterpreted the 6 sentences?

    The first sentence gives some context, so I'm sure people would understand what the writer is saying. I'm just trying to learn the rules so that I can write perfectly.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 01-Aug-2015 at 22:10. Reason: Deleting unnecessary quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparklesdust View Post

    Maybe it would be better if I explained my understanding of each of the examples.

    1."We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased to be joined by the Chancellor also."
    My understanding: We welcomed the Prime Minister to the conference. We were pleased that the Chancellor was one of the other attendees. The writer isn't necessarily pleased that the Prime Minister attended (although unlikely). The Oxford Dictionary says to welcome is to "greet (someone arriving) in a polite or friendly way". I've often welcomed people to events, even though I haven't been pleased to be joined by them
    . No. There is nothing in this to suggest whether anybody is actually pleased or not. They may be pleased, they may just be pretending to be pleased, we have no idea. All we know is that the speaker says 'we are pleased', so we have to accept that as the truth.
    No, the meaning does not change, regardless of what position 'also' falls in. As we've commented, some of the variations don't seem natural or grammatical, but the meaning is still the same in each of them, even if we're suggesting that you not use particular variations. The Prime Minister was in attendance, and they were pleased that the Chancellor joined as well.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 01-Aug-2015 at 22:14. Reason: Pruning unnecessary parts of quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrej View Post
    All we know is that the speaker says 'we are pleased', so we have to accept that as the truth. I accept that is true. What I was trying to understand was if 'we are pleased' relates to the Chancellor only or if it relates to both the Chancellor and the Prime Minister. I think you have confirmed that it relates to the Chancellor only by writing the following: The Prime Minister was in attendance, and they were pleased that the Chancellor joined as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Skrej View Post
    No, the meaning does not change, regardless of what position 'also' falls in.
    Are you saying this is a general rule? Or just in the examples I have given? I'm wondering if the difference in meaning is a BrE thing. This is what I found on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/le...lso_page.shtml

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