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    From the ground up vs from the ground

    Hey teachers,

    I need some help with the idiom "from the ground up."

    Can this idiom be replaced with "from the ground" to mean the same thing, or is "from the ground" a different idiom, if it's an idiom at all.

    So here's a little context: This is a great opportunity to explore/check out a new country/town from the ground (up).

    Now, specifically in this context, would the sentence make any sense (or have a different meaning) if we remove the "up" part?

    Thanks in advance for your help,

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    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    It does not make much sense to me with or without the 'up'.

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    #3

    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    "From the ground" only makes sense as opposed to, say flying over a town. From the air.

    "From the ground up" refers to a process of building and being there from the beginning. That doesn't make sense at all here. "We were able to watch the business grow from the ground up."

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    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    Hi Piscean and SoothingDave. Thank you for your insightful and very helpful replies and explanations. I was thinking maybe the phrase would make at least some sense with the meaning of "completely" or "thoroughly," (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/from+the+ground+up), as in "explore a town thoroughly." Any thoughts?

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    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    It doesn't work like that, as the examples in the dictionary you linked to show.

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    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    Piscean,
    Why do we omit the word "up" that cause an error?

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    #7

    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    Did you read post #3?

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    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Polyester View Post
    Why do we omit the word "up" that cause an error?
    I advise you not to omit/change anything in an idiom so as to avoid errors, but I am not a teacher.

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    Re: From the ground up vs from the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    It doesn't work like that, as the examples in the dictionary you linked to show.
    Hi. Then that original sentence is totally hopeless no matter how you look at it, I guess. Thank you a lot for your help again.

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