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    Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    If I compare: It was his answer that caused his anger with The girl that wrote the letter is upstairs. Is that caused his anger a restrictive relative clause in the same way as that wrote the letter?

    I notice a difference between these sentences and can't tell which it is. After the first sentence a predicate is missing. I'm very confused.
    I know sentence 1 is a cleft sentence but I'm referring to the relative clauses within sentence 1 and sentence 2.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    Well, if you can't tell what the difference is, how can we reply? You said you notice a difference. Please tell us what you noticed.

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    I think "that caused his anger" is an appositive phrase for/renaming "it" and "that wrote the letter" is a relative clause that is describing "the girl". Is that what you needed to understand?

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    Well, if you can't tell what the difference is, how can we reply? You said you notice a difference. Please tell us what you noticed.
    What I notice is that after that caused his anger a predicate is missing and after that wrote the letter
    there is a predicate but I can't see if these defferent structures make different kinds of clauses. Could you help me, please?
    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    Quote Originally Posted by mawes12 View Post
    I think "that caused his anger" is an appositive phrase for/renaming "it" and "that wrote the letter" is a relative clause that is describing "the girl". Is that what you needed to understand?

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    That's the point. What confuses me is that if 'that' is a relative pronoun what follows it must be a relative clause and as a relative clause, in my opinion, it is incomplete.
    From your point of view, it is an appositive phrase but not a clause. In this case, what is 'that' there?
    I'll analyse this possibility.
    Thanks for your help, mawes12!

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    Both sentences contain relative clauses and they are both restrictive. I don't know why you think a predicate is missing in sentence 1. What do you think "caused his anger" is?

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    Quote Originally Posted by ronao View Post
    From your point of view, it is an appositive phrase but not a clause. In this case, what is 'that' there?
    I'm glad I helped. I heard "that" can also be a noun clause and an adverb clause but in the first sentence, I think "that" is a noun clause and an appositive phrase.

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    You need to state that you are not a teacher when you answer questions, If you continue to ignore that, your posts will be deleted. That said, I disagree with your analysis of this question.

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    I'm not a teacher.

    The difference is: the "his answer that caused his anger" is a complement in the first sentence whereas the "that wrote the letter" is a modifier in the noun phrase "The girl that wrote the letter" which is the subject in the second one.

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    Re: Relative pronouns and relative clauses

    In the first, "that caused his anger" modifies "answer". In the second "that wrote the letter" modifies "girl". There is no difference.

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