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    Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Hello,

    I have got grammatical problem with the bold part of the sentence below:

    It is independent from other cognitive systems with which it interacts.
    It would have made sense for me if the sentence had been written like this: "It is independent from other cognitive systems which with them interacts."

    Do my rephrase sentence and the original one have the same meanings? and would you please explain more about that part of the original sentence which I've got problem with it?

    Thank you in advance,

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Hi, Lumia.

    I'm afraid your version doesn't work.
    Please let me divide the sentence into two:

    1. It is independent from other cognitive systems.
    2. It interacts with them.


    -->It is independent from other cognitive systems which it interacts with.
    -->It is independent from other cognitive systems with which it interacts.

    I don't know what "it" refers to.

    I hope my post will help you understand the sentence.

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hi, Lumia.

    I'm afraid your version doesn't work.
    Please let me divide the sentence into two:

    1. It is independent from other cognitive systems.
    2. It interacts with them.


    -->It is independent from other cognitive systems which it interacts with.
    -->It is independent from other cognitive systems with which it interacts.

    I don't know what "it" refers to.

    I hope my post will help you understand the sentence.
    Hey Man,

    Guess I could manage to get your point. You mean that It's not proper to end a sentence with prepositions in English, Yeah?

    The "it" refers to "language."

    The language faculty is modular. It is independent from other cognitive systems with which it interacts.

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    The point is that your version is not grammatical. It has nothing to do with ending a sentence with a preposition.
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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    It has nothing to do with ending a sentence with a preposition.
    If "with which" in the original sentence is not because of preposition, can you please tell me it's because of what?

    As @tzfujimino analyzed the original sentence, at the first step, the sentence ends with a preposition and we know ending sentences with prepositions is not acceptable in formal English and we have to avoid using them in the end of the sentences.

    See the analyzing of the original sentence again:

    -->It is independent from other cognitive systems which it interacts with.
    -->It is independent from other cognitive systems with which it interacts.

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumia625 View Post
    Hey Man, Unnecessary, too "slang" and incorrectly capitalised.

    I guess think I could manage to get your point. Do you mean that it's not proper correct to end a sentence with a prepositions in English? , Yeah?

    The "it" refers to "language."
    Note my corrections above.

    As bhai said, it has nothing to do with that famous "rule" about not ending sentences with a preposition. "It" refers to "language" in both halves of the sentence. If you know that "it" refers to "language" in the first half, why do you think you can replace it with "them" in the second half? What do you think your "them" could refer to?
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 21-Sep-2015 at 20:32.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumia625 View Post
    You mean that It's not proper to end a sentence with prepositions in English, Yeah?
    No, Lumia, I don't mean that.
    I just tried to explain the structure of the original sentence by splitting it into two.

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    If you know that "it" refers to "language" in the first half, why do you think you can replace it with "them" in the second half? What do you think your "them" could refer to?
    First, I do appreciate you for my correcting mistakes.


    I have problem with "with which." In Persian we say "which with." See the below example:

    It's a good book which with it, you can improve your English.

    Next, it has been said "other cognitive systems" not "another cognitive system."

    The first one is plural while the second one is singular. So, if I want to rephrase the sentence mentioned in the first post, I would write:

    It is independent from other cognitive systems which with them interacts.

    Or,

    It is independent from other cognitive systems which interacts with them.

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    Re: Having problem with this part of the sentence [With which it interacts.]

    It (language) is independent from other cognitive systems with which it (language) interacts.
    It (language) is independent from other cognitive systems which it (language) interacts with.
    Language interacts with cognitive systems but it (language) is independent from them (cognitive systems).

    Think about it in terms of a person instead of an "it".

    John is happy with the businesses with which he does business.
    He is happy with the businesses with which he does business.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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