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    #1

    open to meet/meeting new people and make/making new friends

    It's the same old topic....so sorry! I'm thinking about the difference between the following sentences:

    1a) I am open to meet new people and make new friends.
    1b) I am open to meeting new people and making new friends.


    (1a) - Is this sentence incorrect because gerunds are not used?
    (1b) - ....open to meeting new people and making new friends. I understand that gerunds function as nouns. However, I am having difficulty in understanding how the 'to' before meeting is a preposition; how meeting is a noun.

    So sorry that it's about gerunds again....

    Thank you for your patience. I want to master this. Thank you for teaching me further on it.

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    #2

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    I hesitate to say that 1a) is incorrect. It is comprehensible, but somewhat unnatural. 1b) is better. It is what a native speaker would prefer and use instead of 1a).

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    #3

    Re: open to meet/meeting new people and make/making new friends

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanlike View Post
    I am having difficulty in understanding how the 'to' before meeting is a preposition; how meeting is a noun.

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    Hello, Oceanlike:


    I have found some information on the Web that may interest you. I do NOT know how accurate the netizen's information is.



    1. The netizen says that "open to" is an idiom.

    a. "To" is a preposition.

    2. The netizen gives sentences similar to these.

    a. "The boss is open to the discussion of wages."
    b. "The boss is open to discussing wages."

    3. The netizen says that using an infinitive can be confusing, grammatically speaking.

    a. "I am open to discuss X." (Is the "to" the infinitive marker?)
    b. "I am open to discussing X." (In such a sentence, "to" is clearly a preposition.)

    4. You have a question about the gerund "meeting." (The following is only my ideas.)

    a. You already know that a gerund is both a noun and a verb.

    i. I like eating ice cream.

    a. "Eating" is a noun. Compare with an ordinary noun: "I like the consumption of ice cream."

    b. "Eating" comes from the verb "eat." In "I eat ice cream," the object is "ice cream." Therefore, "ice cream" is also an object in "I like eating ice cream."

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    Credit for the information in sentences 1 - 3 goes to a netizen called "Stoney B" who posts at the grammar helpline Stack Exchange. To read the netizen's article, google: Open to discuss(ing)

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    #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    3. The netizen says that using an infinitive can be confusing, grammatically speaking.
    seems unnatural to me.
    a. "I am open to discuss X." (Is the "to" the infinitive marker?)
    You 'netizen' loses me there. "I am open to discuss X" seems unnatural to me.

    a. You already know that a gerund is both a noun and a verb.
    I don't. I think that it is a verb-form that, in addition to its verb-like characteristics, also has noun-like characteristics.

    i. I like eating ice cream.

    a. "Eating" is a noun.
    As it has a direct object, "ice cream", I would say it's a verb.

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    #5

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    Gerunds take direct objects and they are not verbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Gerunds take direct objects and they are not verbs.
    Will you please refer us to some grammar book which makes this claim.

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    Are we going to have this discussion again?

    This will get you started: http://www.englishpage.com/gerunds/part_1.htm

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    #8

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    I agree with Mike if he means "finite verbs" when he says "verbs".

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    #9

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    Mike does mean that. It is a simpler system to understand.

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    #10

    Re: open to meet/meeting new people and make/making new friends

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Mike, in other threads I have quoted from two of the leading grammars of the last thirty years, A Comprehensive grammar of the English Language and The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language words supporting my belief that gerunds are as much verbs, or verb-forms, as the third person present singular form of the verb. I have named a dozen leading grammarians who say similar things. I have since looked through several dozen books on grammar published between 1586 and 2012, and found none that say that the gerund is not a verb(-form). I trust these books, many of which are cited in hundreds of others, more than I trust websites run by unknown people.

    You are an academic, so you should understand this. If you can quote from just one leading grammarian, I will think more about this. Otherwise it is just an unverified claim.

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