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    I would really appreciate it If someone could examine the below sentence.

    We normally say,He need not have the table reserved.But,Can we say,he need not had the table reserved?

    If we can,then how natural is it?

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    Re: Need not had to

    Quote Originally Posted by gurpreetgill4u View Post
    I would really appreciate it if someone could examine the following sentence.

    We normally say,[space]'He need not have the table reserved.'[space]But can we say,[space]'He need not had the table reserved'?

    If we can,[space]then how natural is it?
    Leave a space after a comma or a full stop.

    Neither of those sentences is natural. The second is ungrammatical.

    'He need not have reserved a table.'

    'He didn't need to have reserved a table.'

    'He didn't need to reserve a table.'

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    Re: Need not had to

    Quote Originally Posted by gurpreetgill4u View Post
    I would really appreciate it ​if someone could examine the below sentence below.

    We normally say "He need not have the table reserved" but (no comma here) can we say "He need not had the table reserved"?

    If we can, (space needed here) then how natural is it?

    Thanks.
    Note my corrections above. You need to put those suggested sentences inside quotes, not between commas.

    Why do you think "we" normally say "He need not have the table reserved"? What do you think it means?

    (Cross-posted with Rover)
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Need not had to

    Quote Originally Posted by gurpreetgill4u View Post
    But,Can we say,he need not had the table reserved?
    I can't think of any circumstances where this would be anything other than an error.

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    Re: Need not had to

    It would be grammatical (but not natural) to say

    'He need not have had the table reserved'.

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    I am still confused because I wrote what I saw in Cambridge English grammar in use intermediate level and the same was in advanced edition.
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    Last edited by Rover_KE; 28-Sep-2015 at 12:04.

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    Re: Need not had to

    I think your grammar book says '... needn't have reserved a table' instead of '... need not have the table reserved', which was used in your post#1, but I am not a teacher.

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    Re: Need not had to

    You wrote

    "We normally say,He need not have the table reserved."

    What part of the Cambridge text makes you think that we normally say that?




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    Re: Need not had to

    what is the difference between what I wrote and what the picture says?
    Does changing "have done something" to "have something done" changes the meaning to this extent?

    Is this the syntax I have to follow "need not have done something"?

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    Re: Need not had to

    Quote Originally Posted by gurpreetgill4u View Post
    I have to follow "need not have done something"?
    Yes. I think you should use it instead of 'need not have something done', but I am not a teacher.

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