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    I'm a big fan of (the)?

    I need help with this sentence: " I'm a big fan of the dark rums."

    Is it OK to put "the" before "dark rums"? Or should I just say: I'm a big fan of dark rums?

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Don't use 'the'. I am a big fan of rum/dark rum/dark rums.

    I would say use uncountable rum rather than plural rums.

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Don't use 'the'. I am a big fan of rum/dark rum/dark rums.

    I would say use uncountable rum rather than plural rums.
    Why remove "the"?

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    It is possible either way. If trying to draw a distinction between dark and light rums, especially.

    "Rums" is fine, too. There are different varieties/makes of dark rum.

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    It is possible either way. If trying to draw a distinction between dark and light rums, especially.

    "Rums" is fine, too. There are different varieties/makes of dark rum.
    Is it possible to replace "the" with "a"? If not, why? "I'm a big fan of a dark rums.

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ucul View Post
    Is it possible to replace "the" with "a"? If not, why? "I'm a big fan of a dark rums.
    No. we use 'a' before singular nouns. 'Rums' is plural.

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    It is possible either way. If trying to draw a distinction between dark and light rums, especially.

    "Rums" is fine, too. There are different varieties/makes of dark rum.
    This appears to be another minor difference between AmE and BrE.

    I would still use "dark rum" without "the".

    In the same way that you can say "I'm a big fan of red wine" (as opposed to white wine) even though there are thousands of varieties of each.

    In AmE can you say "I'm a big fan of the red wines"?

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eckaslike View Post
    This appears to be another minor difference between AmE and BrE.

    I would still use "dark rum" without "the".

    In the same way that you can say "I'm a big fan of red wine" (as opposed to white wine) even though there are thousands of varieties of each.

    In AmE can you say "I'm a big fan of the red wines"?
    Yes. But more usually as a contrast. You can say, unprompted, "I like red wine" or "I like red wines."

    But in a conversation like this:

    Do you like Chardonnay?

    No, I'm more of a fan of the red wines.
    The "the" seems more natural to me. But it could be either way.

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    Yes. But more usually as a contrast. You can say, unprompted, "I like red wine" or "I like red wines."

    But in a conversation like this:

    Do you like Chardonnay?

    No, I'm more of a fan of the red wines.

    The "the" seems more natural to me. But it could be either way.
    Very interesting Dave, because even then I wouldn't use "the". I would still say:

    "No, I'm more a fan of red wine."

    Your version doesn't sound that odd to me, it's just that I wouldn't use it.

    Perhaps others might say what they think, because we might just be looking at it from two regional varieties of AmE and BrE respectively.

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    Re: I'm a big fan of (the)?

    I don't see any problem either way. I would accept it with or without the article.
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