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    That

    I don't understand the meaning of "that" in this sentence. There are two of them. Is it a conjunction or relative pronoun?

    Hello fellow vertebrates!
    If my greeting today sounds odd, it's because we're so used to having our skeletons inside us that we forget that for most of the animals on the planet, it's the other way around."

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    Re: That

    "That" is being used as a conjunction in both cases.

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    Re: That

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    "That" is being used as a conjunction in both cases.
    Thank you so much for helping me.
    Could I ask you one more thing?
    Is there a way I can know if it's a relative pronoun verses a conjunction?

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    Re: That

    Try using 'who' or 'which' in place of 'that'. If it works, it's a relative pronoun. If it doesn't, it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Try using 'who' or 'which' in place of 'that'. If it works, it's a relative pronoun. If it doesn't, it's not.
    Oh that sounds like a good idea! I'll try it.
    thank you so much!

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    Re: That

    Can the thats be omitted?

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    Hello, Sekigaku:

    A few minutes ago, I was reading my favorite part of the newspaper (the comic strips, of course!) when I saw a sentence that immediately reminded me of your thread.

    Here is the sentence:

    "I had a bad dream that I broke your new cordless screwdriver."

    It took me a few minutes to understand how that "that" was being used.

    Now let's drop the "that."

    "I had a bad dream I broke your new cordless screwdriver."

    As you can see, the "that" is not necessary.

    So that must mean that the "that" only introduces the words "I broke your new cordless screwdriver."

    There are at least two ways to analyze that sentence, but I follow this way of thinking.

    a. "I had a dream" is a perfectly good sentence.
    b. "I broke your new cordless screwdriver" is a perfectly good sentence.
    c. Sentence "b" refers to the word "dream" in sentence "a."
    d. Therefore, books tell us that sentence "b" is in apposition with sentence "a." That is, it is placed next to sentence "a" to explain what the dream was about. Since the "that" has no grammatical connection to any word, it can be dropped. Oh, by the way, it would be called a conjunction by many books.


    Credits: The "Blondie" comic strip by Dean Young and John Marshall; Paul Roberts, Understanding Grammar (1954), page 313.

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    Re: That

    Wow, great! It's easy to understand when you explain like that.
    so I think if I split my sentences up I can understand them.
    "If my greeting today sounds odd, it's because we're so used to having our skeletons inside us that we forget that for most of the animals on the planet, it's the other way around."

    Omitting first "that"
    A. If my greeting today sounds odd, it's because we're so used to having our skeletons inside us. Perfectly good sentence.
    B. We forget that for most of the animals on the planet, it's the other way around. Perfectly good sentence.

    the second "that" omitted
    A.
    If my greeting today sounds odd, it's because we're so used to having our skeletons inside us that we forget.
    Perfectly good sentence.
    B. For most of the animals on the planet, it's the other way around." Perfectly good sentence.


    Thank you a lot for all your help. You're a great teacher.
    Last edited by bhaisahab; 11-Nov-2015 at 17:29. Reason: Remove unnecessary quote.

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