# Thread: At least 90 people have died

1. ## At least 90 people have died

Hello, I saw this on BBC:

At least 90 people have died

Landslide at jade mine in northern Myanmar

What is the reason for not writing it in the Past Simple tense?

"At least 90 people died"

1)People may say "because the mention to connect it to the future" - But what is the meaning of connecting the event to the future in this case?
2)Why not to write it in the Past Simple? after all, the event was in specific time - we know when the landslide was- today. After all, the definition of the Past Simple that is: Action completed at specific time.
Thanks.

2. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

Originally Posted by captain1
People may say "because the mention to connect it to the future"
Nobody will say that.

The time period in which the deaths have occurred extends up to the present moment.

3. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

In my opinion, either tense works. The past simple is OK with me.

4. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

Originally Posted by Piscean
Nobody will say that.

The time period in which the deaths have occurred extends up to the present moment.
What is the meaning here of "to extend to the present"?
Thank you.

5. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

It means "starting at some point in the past and reaching up to, and including, now".

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So, what is the meaning of "The time period in which the deaths" here? What was starting and keep going?

7. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

It means that they died at some point in the past and the number of deaths is currently accurate. Of course, it's possible that more people might die or be found dead as a result of this disaster.

8. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

Originally Posted by MikeNewYork
In my opinion, either tense works. The past simple is OK with me.
So, both are OK? they have the same meaning?

9. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

Yes. In both cases, the same number of people were dead.

10. ## Re: At least 90 people have died

***** NOT A TEACHER *****

Hello, Captain:

Some students say that they can better understand the present perfect if they remember this definition:

"It refers to something that happened in the past and still touches the present."

So I would say that "I have lived in my American city since the 1940s."

If I see a car accident on my way home, when I enter my house, I would say, "There's been an car accident on Maple Avenue." The accident still "touches" the present in the sense that it was very recent. The ambulance may not have arrived yet, and I have no idea of how many have been hurt in the accident. As far as I am concerned, the accident is not a closed case.

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