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    #21

    Re: present participle

    captain1, do you mean the following form:
    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    In English-Chinese dictionaries, the two verbs translate the same, causing confusion.
    When I wrote 'causing confusion' above, I used 'causing' to replace 'and thus cause'.
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    #22

    Re: present participle

    But here:
    Shmuel managed to escape and hid for several months with a Polish family.
    Shmuel managed to escape, hiding for several months with a Polish family.

    "Hiding" took the past simple form "hid". So its not always the same.
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    In English-Chinese dictionaries, the two verbs translate the same, causing confusion.
    In English-Chinese dictionaries, the two verbs translate the same and cause confusion.
    cause has the form of the present simple.

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    #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain1 View Post
    So its not always the same.
    They are the same in terms of tense agreement.

    The simple past 'hid' is used because 'managed' is the simple past.
    The simple present 'cause' is used because 'translate' is the simple present.
    Last edited by Matthew Wai; 09-Dec-2015 at 14:29. Reason: Typo correction.
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    #24

    Question Re: present participle

    What about this:
    Shmuel managed to escape, hiding for several months with a Polish family.

    because "managed" it should be "hid".
    But here we have hiding - its not in terms of tenses agreement.


    1) "comma+ing"= Does we can replace it with the present simple?
    2)What about the verb "to escape" we don't need to refer it? just to refer "managed".

    Thanks
    Last edited by captain1; 09-Dec-2015 at 15:12.

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    #25

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    But here we have hiding - its not in terms of tenses agreement.
    'Hiding' here is a modifier instead of a verb, so no tense agreement is needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by captain1 View Post
    1) "comma+ing"= Does we can replace it with the present simple?
    That depends on the finite verb in the sentence. See the blue text in Piscean's post#7.

    Quote Originally Posted by captain1 View Post
    2)What about the verb "to escape" we don't need to refer it? just to refer "managed".
    The finite verb there is 'managed' instead of 'to escape', which is a non-finite verb.
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    #26

    Re: present participle

    Some people call "to escape" a nonfinite verb. Others call it an infinitive, which is a type of verbal.

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    #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Some people call "to escape" a nonfinite verb. Others call it an infinitive, which is a type of verbal.
    I know of no writer on grammar who does not label 'to escape' an infinitive, though some will refer to it as a to- infinitive.
    I know of no writer on grammar who does not consider an infinitive (bare or to-) to be non(-)finite.

    I have not encountered a writer on grammar who calls an infinitive form a verbal. I would be delighted if somebody could provide links to peer-reviewed books or articles in which this idea is discussed

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    #28

    Re: present participle

    Try Google. You have a very narrow view of information.

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    #30

    Re: present participle

    Captain1, please note that the contraction standing for 'it is" is "it's". (Note apostrophe.)

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