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    #1

    as she will have already failed = having already failed

    Hi,

    I've come across the sentences below on a grammar site made by a Turkish speaker.

    The Perfect Participle

    - As she will have already failed twice, she will not risk another try.
    --------› Having already failed twice, she will not risk another try.

    I'd like to ask if the information above is OK or not. And I'd also like to ask if we can use 'having done' instead of a future perfect as is above.

    Thanks.

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    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    The first one seems unlikely to me. In what situation would you use it?
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

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    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    There's no context given regarding those sentences on the website; I just copied and pasted them.

    I think that in the second sentence, 'having already failed twice' refers to a past event, am I right? Can we reduce 'will have done' to 'having done'; in other words, is the perfect participle used instead of 'future perfect tenses'?

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    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    "Having already failed twice" definitely refers to a past event. After two failures, the person is unwilling to try again.

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    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    'Having failed, she will not try again.'
    Could 'Having failed' refer to the future?
    I am not a teacher.

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    #6

    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    "Having failed" does not and cannot refer to the future.

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    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    Do you mean 'having + past participle' can only refer to the past?
    Can it refer to the future in 'Having finished the exam, I will have summer vacation'?
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    That is a very unnatural sentence, Matthew.
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

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    #9

    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    You could say:

    Once I have finished the exam I will have summer vacation.

    OR

    After I finish the exam I will have summer vacation.
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 03-Jan-2016 at 17:19. Reason: Fixed typo

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    #10

    Re: as she will have already failed = having already failed

    Actually I would say 'I will have summer vacation after finishing the exam', but I just wondered whether 'having + past participle' could refer to the future in a suitable context.
    I am not a teacher.

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