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    reduced relative clause

    1. The man who works at Costco lives in Seattle.
    2. The man working at Costco lives in Seattle.
    3. He likes to watch movies which make him laugh.
    4. He likes to watch movies making him laugh.
    Which of the above sentences is not acceptable to native speakers?
    I feel that the first three sentences are correct. The last sentence sounds odd.
    Last edited by sitifan; 08-Jan-2016 at 19:51.
    I need native speakers' help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    1. The man who works at Costco lives in Seattle. - Okay. It sounds like you have a few men, and you are identifying this guy based on where he works. The man who works for IBM lives in Chicago, the one who works for Walmart lives in Little Rock, and the one who works for Costco lives in Seattle.

    2. The man working at Costco lives in Seattle. - Also okay. Same situation as above.

    3. He likes to watch movies which make him laugh. - I know many people don't bother to differentiate between "that" and "which" but I would never say this. I'd say only "movies that make him laugh."

    4. He likes to watch movies making him laugh. - No
    Which of the above sentences is not acceptable to native speakers?
    I feel that the first three sentences are correct. The last sentence sounds odd.
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    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: reduced relative clause

    5. I don't like the man who works at Costco.
    6. I don't like the man working at Costco.
    http://esl.about.com/od/grammarstruc...ve-Clauses.htm
    According to the above link, # 5 is correct, but #6 is incorrect. Do you agree?
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    #4

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    I do.

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    #5

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    I don't see anything wrong with #6.

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    http://esl.about.com/od/grammarstruc...ve-Clauses.htm
    Reduced relative clauses refers to the the shortening of a relative clause which modifies the subject of a sentence.Reduced relative clauses can modify the subject NOT the object of a sentence. Let's quickly review relative clauses to learn more.
    Relative clauses, also known as adjective clauses, modify nouns much like adjectives.
    The man who works at Costco lives in Seattle.
    I gave a book which was written by Hemingway to Mary last week.

    In the examples above, who works at Costco modifies (provides information about) the subject of the sentence 'The man'. In the second sentence, which was written by Hemingway modifies the object 'book'. Using a reduced relative clause we can reduce the first sentence to:
    The man working at Costco lives in Seattle.
    The second example sentence can not be reduced because the relative clause which was written by Hemingway modifies an object of the verb 'give'.
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with #6.
    In #6, the reduced relative clause modifies the object of the verb "like," isn't it?
    I need native speakers' help.

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    #7

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    I think the object of 'like' is 'the man working at Costco', a noun phrase, where the participial phrase modifies 'man'.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    In #6, the reduced relative clause modifies the object of the verb "like," isn't it?
    Yes. That simply means that the "rule" is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Yes. That simply means that the "rule" is incorrect.
    6. I don't like the man working at Costco.
    4. He likes to watch movies making him laugh.
    If #6 is correct, what's wrong with #4?
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    #10

    Re: reduced relative clause

    As written, 4 makes no sense.

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