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    That-structures (that why, that what, that when, that where)

    I saw an e-news write,
    “Police said that when they found Davis, she denied involvement and admitted to using oxycodone, a controlled drug similar to morphine that can be used as apain-killer but is often abused by addicts.”

    I surfed on internet and found many similar sentence structures like “that why”, “that where”, “that what”. However, it is very rare examples I could find in dictionaries or grammar books.

    Are these kind of sentence structures the natural English/grammatically correct sentences?
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    Re: That-structures (that why, that what, that when, that where)

    It's fine. Read it as "said that" and "when they". "Police said that - when they found..."
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    Re: That-structures (that why, that what, that when, that where)

    Is "that when..." the noun clause of "Police said"?

    I checked "Understanding and Using English Grammar" by Betty S. Azar & Stacy A. Hagen, it seems they have similar structures.
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    Re: That-structures (that why, that what, that when, that where)

    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello,

    May I contribute my two bits (very humble opinion).

    Let's look at:

    "The police said that, when they found Davis, she denied involvement."

    1. I think that the noun clause "that she denied involvement" is the object of the verb "said."

    2. I think that "when they found Davis" is an adverbial clause modifying the verb "denied."

    a. Question: When did Ms. Davis deny involvement?

    b. Answer: When they found her.

    Please note that "when they found Davis" should be surrounded by commas. The e-news writer forgot the comma after "that."

    As you know, the "that" is not even necessary: "The police said, when they found Davis, she denied involvement."


    P.S. We could even say: "The police said that Ms. Davis denied involvement when they found her."
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    Re: That-structures (that why, that what, that when, that where)

    Wow! My writing problems would be much smaller if I have this meticulous attention, logical thinking and many good grammar books as you have.

    Thanks for your enlightenment!
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 21-Jan-2016 at 18:49. Reason: Deleting unnecessary quote.
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    Re: That-structures (that why, that what, that when, that where)

    Besides grammar books, there are grammar sites explaining adverb clauses.
    http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/adverbclause.htm
    http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/pa...b-clauses.html
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