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    Noun that-clause

    In this thread https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/t...r-a-complement, I was trying to explain why I thought the that-clause was a noun-clause but I think Mike misinterpret what I said and thought I said that an indirect object can be a prepositional object but I was saying that to know if the that-clause is a noun clause or not, you can put the indirect object after the preposition, 'to' or 'for', and put the direct object before those prepositions and after a main verb or double object verb and it will still have the same meaning. Did I say something wrong? And please don't lock the thread before we all agree.
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    Re: Noun that-clause

    What is it that you want us to agree on?

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    Re: Noun that-clause

    There are times when universal agreement is impossible. This seems to be one of those times.

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    Re: Noun that-clause

    Why did you start a fresh thread for this? You seem to be merely continuing the discussion - and we have to go back to the other one to see what has already been said.

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    Re: Noun that-clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Osbri View Post
    I was saying that to know if the that-clause is a noun clause or not, you can put the indirect object after the preposition, 'to' or 'for', and put the direct object before those prepositions and after a main verb or double object verb and it will still have the same meaning.
    Could you provide examples?

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    Why did you start a fresh thread for this?
    I advised him to do so in reply to his private message.
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    Re: Noun that-clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    What is it that you want us to agree on?
    You don't have to agree with me or I don't want to force you to agree with me but I want us to understand each other and at least agree on one thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    There are times when universal agreement is impossible. This seems to be one of those times.
    You might be right but I think we have to understand why something is right or wrong and I think that if someone think something is wrong, that thing might be right. You might disagree with someone or something but that person or thing that you disagree with had the right thought or movement.

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    Could you provide examples?
    I told him 'that I am going to stay home'.(Subject + Verb + Indirect Object/Noun + Direct Object/Noun)

    I told 'that I am going to stay home' to him. (Subject + Verb + Direct Object/Noun + Preposition(to) + Indirect Object/Noun)

    Do they have the same meaning?
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    Re: Noun that-clause

    The second one is very unnatural. I would say it is incorrect. And I would not call "him" an indirect object or a noun..

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    Re: Noun that-clause

    I thought it was put a little unnatural too but I think it has the same meaning and if you say I told that to him or I said that to him, It will probably sound a little more natural. Why do you say 'him' is not a noun? and I called 'him' an indirect object because 'him' was the indirect object in the first structure.
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    Re: Noun that-clause

    'Someone told something to someone else.'
    Some consider 'someone else' a prepositional object while some consider it an indirect object.
    I think no agreement can be or needs to be reached.
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    Re: Noun that-clause

    I told 'that I am going to stay home' to him.
    I agree with Mike that that is so unnatural as to be incorrect. It may theoretically carry the same message as I told him that I am going to stay at home, but tell + that-clause + to + noun/pronoun is not possible in English.

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