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    #21

    Re: Noun that-clause

    Let's simplify the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osbri View Post
    I will show you 'that I wasn't lying'.
    'Someone will show someone else something.'
    So the that-clause is a noun clause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osbri View Post
    I told you 'that she hasn't came'.
    'Someone told someone else something.'
    So the that-clause is a noun clause.
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    #22

    Re: Noun that-clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Osbri View Post

    I told you 'that she hasn't came come'.

    I told 'that she hasn't came come' to you.
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    #23

    Re: Noun that-clause

    I was trying to explain it differently but I think Matthew understood and simplified the thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Why do you call it a prepositional structure if there is no preposition? Your argument is very confusing.
    I will show you 'that I wasn't lying'.(I call this indirect structure)

    I will show 'that I wasn't lying' to you.(I call this prepositional structure)

    Or

    I told you 'that she hasn't came'.(indirect structure)

    I told 'that she hasn't came' to you.(prepositional structure)

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
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    I thought 'came' was past tense and 'come' was past participle. Aren't they?
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    #24

    Re: Noun that-clause

    "Come" is the past participle, and that is what you needed.

    "I told 'that she hasn't came' to you.(prepositional structure)"

    That is a ridiculous "sentence".

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    #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    "I told 'that she hasn't came' to you.(prepositional structure)"

    That is a ridiculous "sentence".
    It's probably a ridiculous sentence but I understand it. It's almost what Matthew's sentences show but his has pronouns in it.
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    #26

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    The bottom line in English is not what you understand, It is what most people understand.

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    #27

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    You called it ridiculous but you probably understood it and other people will probably understand it and I think Matthew explained it more understandable.
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    #28

    Re: Noun that-clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    'Someone told something to someone else.'
    I'd parse it this way:

    Someone - the subject; told - predicator; something - object; to someone else - adverbial.
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    #29

    Re: Noun that-clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Osbri View Post
    You called it ridiculous but you probably understood it and other people will probably understand it and I think Matthew explained it more understandable.
    The following is my perceived meaning. Please tell me whether it is ridiculous.
    'She hasn't come, and I told that to you before.'

    Quote Originally Posted by tkacka15 View Post
    Someone - the subject; told - predicator; something - object; to someone else - adverbial.
    I think they are the subject, the main verb, the direct object, and an adverbial prepositional phrase respectively.
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    #30

    Re: Noun that-clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    The following is my perceived meaning. Please tell me whether it is ridiculous.
    'She hasn't come, and I told that to you before.'
    That sounds right to me. What do you think?
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